276 Reply by dawkinscm

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Xenocyde wrote:

Tried 4.16 V2 Lite with the new MPV update a few days ago and it looks like the fast movement interference artifacts are almost gone now.

I don't know about Anime but for live action both versions of 4.15 are much better for fast movement artefacts. Also mpv has nothing to do with Rife AI generated artefacts because they are "AI generated" artefacts.


scb wrote:

I noticed there is only a 'Lite' version available for 4.16. Does anyone know if that's how things will be from now on, just 'Lite' versions?

They were planning to use the "lite" from now starting from v4.16. But v4.15 is much better so that might have been a miscommunication. Either way it looks like they want to start using "lite" models.

scb wrote:

What does Lite even mean in practice?

With the exception of 4.14 lite, they use less GPU resources than the non "lite" models.

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277 Reply by dawkinscm

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SHTH34D wrote:

Does this showing up in the command line mean I need to change something?

"Your ONNX model has been generated with INT64 weights, while TensorRT does not natively support INT64. Attempting to cast down to INT32."

Yep just ignore it. Internal stuff.

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278 Reply by dawkinscm

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RickyAstle98 wrote:

Please reatach my reedited comment again, dont reply to it, will be deleted smile

I deleted my reply so i don't have anything to reattach. Don't worry about it smile

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279 Reply by dawkinscm

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RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:

In my case problem not with artefacts, frames are mismatched or delayed a bit!

Is that for build_optimization or running at 72fps.

My RTX 4070 doing perfect smooth 4.4-4.9 models, 4.10+ models not smooth, with or without build optimization or running at 72fps or dropped frames...
Update : opt level 1 helps 4.10 to 4.14 models for smoothness...

That's weird but I am interested to see the rest of your findings. But I don't like the fast action artefacts that models below 4.15 produce. Running at 72fps there are some slow pan issues on a couple of movies but for now I will stick with v4.15 lite/72fps.

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280 Reply by dawkinscm

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RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:

Hehe!

Update:
I think my initial impressions were correct. For certain artefacts, Rife v4.15 lite 72fps works almost as well as Rife 4.15 60fps. For others they are about the same with both running at 60fps. So Rife v4.15 lite 72fps is not quite as smooth at 60fps but it minimises certain artefacts while being  smooth enough to not be a problem.

In my case problem not with artefacts, frames are mismatched or delayed a bit!

Is that for build_optimization or running at 72fps?

aloola wrote:

has anyone tried the option builder_optimization_level=5?

BTW Thanks for the reminder. The last time I tried this I remember seeing warnings generated, possibly because it was running out of workspace. Now I get no more errors and I think it does help a little.

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281 Reply by dawkinscm

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RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:

But what TRT doing in my case? No drops no stutters but not smooth (any after 4.10), even with new optimization level, ah yes wait >
Builder optimization level 5 (default 3), adds another 3 minutes to build engine cache lock and only 3% performance!

Yeah I just tried it and if it is making a difference, it's at the margins and maybe pushing 4.15 lite closer to 4.15. But I will need to test with 4.15 to be sure. Also I'm not used to waiting this long for engine build anymore lol.

Hehe!

Update:
I think my initial impressions were correct. For certain artefacts, Rife v4.15 lite 72fps works almost as well as Rife 4.15 60fps. For others they are about the same with both running at 60fps. So Rife v4.15 lite 72fps is not quite as smooth as 60fps but it minimises certain artefacts while being  smooth enough to not be a problem.

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282 Reply by dawkinscm

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RickyAstle98 wrote:

But what TRT doing in my case? No drops no stutters but not smooth (any after 4.10), even with new optimization level, ah yes wait >
Builder optimization level 5 (default 3), adds another 3 minutes to build engine cache lock and only 3% performance!

Yeah I just tried it and if it is making a difference, it's at the margins and maybe pushing 4.15 lite closer to 4.15. But I will need to test with 4.15 to be sure. Also I'm not used to waiting this long for engine build anymore lol.

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283 Reply by dawkinscm

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RickyAstle98 wrote:

With TRT 10.0 my RTX 4070 struggles to 24>96 hd source (4.16 lite realtime), but easy 24>120 with TRT 9.2 hehe!
Maybe you know solution, why any models after 4.10 not smooth enough? But difference between 4.12 and 4.4 a whole pit, but SMOOTHNESS drop?
Maybe its frame pacing problem, just listen, 4.4v2 24>72 looks very smooth, but has a lot artefacts (no dropped frames), starting 4.10 everything looks like every 3th frame are mismatched (still no dropped frames)!

As I said, trt 10.0 is "one to avoid" because it cuts performance by around 30% while possibly doubling GPU usage.


aloola wrote:

has anyone tried the option builder_optimization_level=5?
The resulting engine may have better performance compared to an engine built with a lower optimization level.

They key phrase there is "may" have better performance. Yes I've tried this a couple of times. It's supposed to try to find more potential heuristics from what I understand but I didn't notice any real difference. But I can't remember if I have tried with my increased workspace so I might try again.

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284 Reply by dawkinscm

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Olombo wrote:

You do not miss that dropped framea with 60p then? No judder visible like this?

Nope. But YMMV.

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285 Reply by dawkinscm

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Two bits of news. A while ago I said that increasing the frame rate can help with certain fast movement artefacts. Well initial testing suggests that since v4.15 lite is actually "lite",  I'm now able to run SVP at 72fps and it is helping with certain specific types of fast movement artefacts. It's dropping exactly 12 frames a second which makes sense but the helpful effect is not being lost. I still need to do more testing but this looks promising.

Also, Tensorrt v10.0.0 is available. I couldn't believe how bad the benchmarks look but the notes confirm that this is definitely one to avoid.

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286 Reply by dawkinscm

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oriento wrote:

i'm seing artifacts in 4.15 lite that i don't see in 4.15

That's why I said:
Quality: Rife v4.15 > v4.15 lite > v4.16 lite.

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287 Reply by dawkinscm

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abraxas wrote:

4.16 lite is really good, my first tests show the same quality with action movies as 4.15v2 - but 50% better performance. I could go up from x2 (48fps) to x2,5 (60fps) on a 4070 (about 90% GPU) for (nearly) 4K movies.

Rife v4.15 lite has been released and I think it will become the new SVP standard. v4.15 lite handles fast motion artefacts much better than 4.16 lite and is very close to v4.15 but with much better performance smile

Quality: Rife v4.15 > v4.15 lite > v4.16 lite
GPU usage: Rife v4.15 > Rife 4.15 lite = Rife 4.16 lite

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288 Reply by dawkinscm

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abraxas wrote:

4.16 lite is really good, my first tests show the same quality with action movies as 4.15v2

For artefacts it may be a little better than 4.9 but it's definitely not the same as 4.15, not even close. But I have access to a large number of movies and over time I've worked out which ones stress the models. Also I'm watching on a big assed cinema sized screen big_smile So if you don't see any of the issues I and others can see with the "your" movies then it does not matter smile

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289 Reply by dawkinscm

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aloola wrote:

my point is 4.9 and 4.16 lite have the same performance but 4.16 lite has better quality. then there is no reason for people to use 4.9 even if live-action films are the same quality (no proof or testing yet)

I think your final point makes the most sense, so I did some testing using the same scenes I always test with. Quality wise they are very similar although 4.16 lite might have a slight edge. Rife 4.16 lite also uses about 2% less GPU resources than 4.9. So yeah it looks like 4.16 lite might be worth the upgrade smile

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290 Reply by dawkinscm

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291 Reply by dawkinscm

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Rife 4.16 lite is available to download. But if you are already using 4.9 then don't bother because it's more or less the same.

Update: OK did a little bit of testing and it might be worth upgrading to Rife 4.16 lite. The quality is seems to be at least as good as Rife 4.9 while using a little less GPU.

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292 Reply by dawkinscm

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oriento wrote:

it's strange because the wiki tells that the 4090 is capable of 4K 60fps
https://www.svp-team.com/wiki/RIFE_AI_interpolation

edit: he said that even 4.9 he can't reach more than x2, or I misunderstood

scb wrote:
oriento wrote:

it's strange because the wiki tells that the 4090 is capable of 4K 60fps
https://www.svp-team.com/wiki/RIFE_AI_interpolation

I think that will be with earlier versions of RIFE (<=4.9); later versions just need more horsepower.

Yeah it's one of a number of things on the Rife pages that needs to be updated.

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293 Reply by dawkinscm

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SHTH34D wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:
SHTH34D wrote:

Windows 11/Chrome/NordVPN. I go to download the 4.15.7 7zip file and it does not allow me to. Interestingly, I just tried again and it allowed me to download it this time. No idea.

The default AV is Windows Defender which is not terrible, but also not great. But I think in your case you are using Edge browser which probably means it was being blocked by Microsoft SmartScreen which is cloud based.

Nah, not using Edge. I updated my chipset drivers and it worked. No idea. Doesn't matter. Any difference between Rife v2, normal, and ensemble?

v2 is easier on GPU. Don't bother with Ensemble.

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294 Reply by dawkinscm

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SHTH34D wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:
SHTH34D wrote:

Uhhh my virus software is saying this straight up has a trojan in it...

I've been downloading these file for months with not alerts and no one else is reporting this. Which AV are you using?

Windows 11/Chrome/NordVPN. I go to download the 4.15.7 7zip file and it does not allow me to. Interestingly, I just tried again and it allowed me to download it this time. No idea.

The default AV is Windows Defender which is not terrible, but also not great. But I think in your case you are using Edge browser which probably means it was being blocked by Microsoft SmartScreen which is cloud based.

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295 Reply by dawkinscm

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SHTH34D wrote:

Uhhh my virus software is saying this straight up has a trojan in it...

I've been downloading these file for months with not alerts and no one else is reporting this. Which AV are you using?

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296 Reply by dawkinscm

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Rife v4.15 is out. It is a clear improvement over previous models for reducing double images in fast movement. I need to do some testing but I think it uses a little more GPU than previous models because even with v2 my GPU never drops below 100%. Packet drops sometimes happen when starting or when FF/REW but settles down quickly with no further drops during playback. No obvious regressions from previous tests.

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297 Reply by dawkinscm

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anders.nilsson wrote:

I changed the graphics card from gtx 1070 to rtx 4060 and experience much more artifacts especially when it is fence shaped materials, elements, railings, is there any setting in svp I could change to counteract this? or in Nvida control panels 3d settings for the software players?

Maybe with the 4060 you are now trying and watching new things because it is a more powerful card? Are you sure that you are using the exact same settings with the two cards?

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298 Reply by dawkinscm

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RickyAstle98 wrote:

Lets say about RTX per equivalent model performance >
RTX 2070 > v4.4
RTX 3070 > v4.9
RTX 4070 > v4.11

     RTX 4080 > 4.14 (lite) smile

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299 Reply by dawkinscm

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aloola wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:
aloola wrote:

because of this bug https://github.com/AmusementClub/vs-mlrt/issues/72

if you use model v4.7+ you need to turn performance boost on else you will get the error.

Isn't this a separate issue to the TensorRT bug you refer to?  I don't think the use of dynamic shapes reduces the memory footprint enough to help @oriento who is literally running out of memory. Using performance mode reduces the amount of memory being used. Lower number Rife models also use less memory. Maybe for a 20 series card a user should do both by using the SVP default Rife 4.9 which works almost as well as later Rife models but is less taxing on the GPU.

it's the same
performance boost off = dynamic shape
performance boost on = static shape

you can test it yourself with performance boost off + model v2 4.7+

Oh right, good to know. After all this time still learning new things. Thanks smile

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300 Reply by dawkinscm

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flowreen91 wrote:

What i imagine when people enable interpolation from mpv config on top of the movie already being fully interpolated by RIFE:
https://gyazo.com/8ce62ce348609112c567448cb406a223

lol But as I said yesterday, I don't need interpolation to be enabled and it probably doesn't have room to do much. I now use it because it needs to be active in order to set up motion-blur.

flowreen91 wrote:

Please share your mpv.conf solution, other VR users might be interested.

Not unless they have OLED lenses because OLED has an issue with smooth movement. I'm not particularly susceptible to it myself but even I can see that the extra config reduces the OLED micro-stutters. LED doesn't have the same issues. The rest is mostly standard stuff from my Plex mpv config.

#start
input-ipc-server=mpvpipe
hwdec=no
vo=gpu-next
profile=high-quality

#This is standard stuff most of which is not needed because it's the default but I like to play around with them smile
gpu-api=auto
gpu-context=auto
linear-downscaling=yes
correct-downscaling=yes
dither=ordered
dither-depth=8
temporal-dither=yes
deband=yes
pause="no"
no-hidpi-window-scale

#This is config specific to my situation and as some have already seen, it can cause problems even for other VR users because they all use LED lenses.
video-sync=display-resample
interpolation=yes
tscale=sphinx
tscale-blur=0.65
swapchain-depth=1

#standard shader stuff
glsl-shaders="~~/shaders/CfL_Prediction.glsl"
glsl-shaders-append="~~/shaders/adaptive-sharpen.glsl"

After that there's shader stuff that won't work because they aren't designed to work the way I use them because I modified the code. So I haven't included them here because they are only used for special circumstances. I also haven't included any color settings because every display is different.

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