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(72 replies, posted in Using SVP)

Those speeds are only 1 fraction of the equation... .. there are other factors atleast as important if not more important like  Bandwidth is very important , especialy for AA and Texture filtering imo.... and then you have the ammount of Rops/ tmu ..  on ur gpu etc... lol

Well, I did not ask for specs when I buyed it. I asked for fastest avaible mobile GPU, to max out gaming FPS, without buying a desktop computer, no matter the costs. And it was the fastest avaible mobile GPU when I buyed the Laptop, at least 2 or so month lol. Its however a GAMING Laptop and no "Multimedia" (Videoplayer) Laptop.

Of course its a Mobile computer. MObile computers will always be inferior to desktop computers like mobile houses are inferior to real stone houses, even very luxerious trailers cannot compete.  big_smile

Well, of course with computers there is always "Moores Law". Performance will double every 18 month (some say 2 years). Mobile mashines beeing 50% the performance of desktop mashines.... would mean... mobile mashines are 1.5 - 2 years behind desktop mashines when it comes to performance.

EDIT:
Aaaaaand, I dont have any performance problems to whine about with SVP (I actually started to think something is wrong when I watch video without it, yes... haha, but it seems the same for a computer of a working mate, so maybe its normal)

I use SVP@G4 Settings with 120 FPS, madVR with bicubic 50 scaling, blabla windowed mode, swscaler sharpening in FFDShow (limited to luma channel, old Photoshop book tip I just experimenting to transfere to video...), totaly maxed out in 3D, otherwise around 1 and (for some videos if they have a lot of noise) noisefiltering. All works fine, no glitches or frame drops.

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(72 replies, posted in Using SVP)

@lt Welkin:
Did I miss something or didnt you post your madVR SCALING settings?

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(72 replies, posted in Using SVP)

SERIOUS.. leeee !?  even with the box unchecked !?  WoW...  Mine flips like instant .. not the kind of high five mad flipping mind u  cool
I wonder whats ur cpu / gpu specs !?

http://www.gentechpc.com/images/center/slides/gentechpc_center_G75VW-3D.jpg
Overclocked GPU coreclock from 620 to 750 and memory clock from 1500 to 1650 (but only during gaming, not video)

uhuh... to the point ... however... even though if it aint broken... theres ALWAYS SOME ROOM FOR → IMPROVEMENT ← → ► smile  neutral big_smile

As I wrote in my first post, the exclusivemode doesnt improve anything to me. I have 0 dropped frames in a 45 minutes movie without "exlusivemode" and 20 dropped frames in 45 minutes with it. Ok, its already 7 when the flickering ends and the movie finaly starts....so its only 13 during the video itself.

So, I dont have any visible difference, I even have dropped frames, I get the 3 seconds delay and a disco light performance. Why would I want that?

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Metagondria wrote:

Does it realy takes that long to switch to Exlusive mode dear Fanny?

Its 3 seconds for me, I can read the bible in that time and write an Essay about Quantum mechanics before I can enjoy my video. And it switches between picture and blackscreen 5 times, its almost physical painfull.
Some may think I am immortal, but I am not. I dont want my time to be stolen by this. wink

Maybe tampering with the launch countdown (ie 3secs) would solve your prob !!

Good idea. But it works fine for me without it. How does the saying go? "If its not broken, dont fix it."  lol

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(72 replies, posted in Using SVP)

About framedrops and those modes:

My experience (GTX670M) so far is:

"windowed overlay" extremely reduces dropped frames for me.
while
"automatic fullscreen exclusive mode" does actually increase dropped frames for me. Only by like 20 in a 45 minutes video but its not when that mode is not active (besides that its quiet anoying how long it takes to switch between video and desktop) while the image is flickering.

recover an failing 4tb drive woud you

4TB HDD cost "nothing" (well 150 Euros maybe), buy 2 of them, one for savety. And story everything twice. Still cheaper than burning DVD/blue Rays wink

And not the least to mention is the durability = lifetime of 1 dvd can be easily exceed the life time of an HDD by an factor of 3-5 !!!

Yeah, a buyed DVD maybe. Self burned DVD has a similiar lifetime than a HDD (5-10 years). Now "re-burn" 1000 DVDs by hand to a fresh one, every 5 years or copy your HDD to a new one every 5 years. Whats more easy and less expensive?

Now dont let me start about Bluray good lord... in theory these "scratch proof" plastics can even hold data for an century.... like 21 Century fox PROOF  ... chorltes

They wont last a century. CDs already start to get destroid. (thats CDs in state owned archives, that are never used but are only stored "For eternity" at perfect temperatures etc in zero light cases) They get "holes" and now they are really pissed of because they need to take care of several millions of them getting holey and beeing lost for future generations forever..... big_smile

So say goodbye to your Blue Rays in 30 years. wink

Well, I can accept a loss of quality for 16000 hours of SD-video consuming the space of a small book and have a weight of 1kg
compared to
a rack of 1 kilometer lengh (DVD+box) and weighting 700 Kilogramms.

or alternatively 4000 hours of full-hd video material, 1kg, size of a book.
compared to
a rack of 20 meters (blue ray) and a weight of 140kg.

Of course it all depends how much video material you want to store in what size of apartment/house. I also dont know whats better for the envoirement... producing a Harddisk or 700kg of plastic.

But everyone can do it how he wants it to be done. wink

BTW, its like with 24 FPS.... Like we had 80 years of 24FPS we may have 80 years of MPEG-2 on plastic discs. As long as nobody says: Bah...thats technology my grandfather invented! wink

Because, those convertions are in ESSENCE ALL (and i do mean every 1 and single of emm) KNOCK OFFS from the original version (the REAL THING .. yes DVD or BD that you declare wAr!!) both Quality wise as Feature wise  !!

DVD is NOT the "real" thing. DVD use MPEG-2, wich already trades quality for file size. the real thing (compression that doesnt trade quality with size) would be about 10times the size of a DVD. It was celebrated as a miracle to have such tiny video files with almost no (visible) loss of quality.... back then, in the stone age, when MPEG-2 was invented... wink

For todays standarts, that compression algorithm is totaly ancient, outdated, weak compared to modern algorithms basing on MPEG-4 or others who all are able to create identical quality in much, much smaller size.
The only problem that exists is, that the source material (a DVD for example) is already compressed by a quality losing algorithm, so that a ripp of that makes it worse, but its impossible to get a hand to the raw material.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/259794/h … ows_8.html

Scroll down to NVidia.

When your done and have both screens working, just open your video, move the player window into the new screen and make it fullsize there. MOve your mouse back to your laptop screen and continue working.

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Zachn wrote:

can you explain why you changed "Frame Interpolation Mode" and "Motion Vectors Grid"?

Rimsky does use these changes because it reduces artefacts.

1,5m does trades less artefacts for less (quiet a lot less) smoothness.
24 pixel grid does the same. (less artefacts, but less smoothness (almost not noticable less))
Specially thin objects like swords, staffs, guns but also prison bars, shutter blinds etc catch a lot artefacts if one uses a small grid. Larger grids reduce these problems.
24px grid does also decrease CPU load.

OK, I just tested several videos on someone elses laptop (much less fast but ...) and I would say... they looked the same (horrible shuttering and 12FPSish as on my own. I asked him: does this stutter in your eyes and he answered that it looks completely normal to him.

Sidenote: I have no TV to see 24/25 FPS Video on a regular basis other than with my PC  wink

It seems that... uh.... is this really possible? Have my eyes adjusted to the look of 120FPS (I guess the last 300 hours of video that I watched had been 120FPS videos) that 24FPS video feels like 12FPS to me now?  hmm

EDIT: Damn! I forgot to check the tearing line on that computer. Sigh....

Maybe a piece in the puzzle:

I get a red "Out of memory" message all over the screen if I use "enable automatic fullscreen exclusive mode". I need to use it in "windowed overlay" mode.

Rimsky wrote:

what is

I also use atm

?

Oh sorry...
atm = "at the moment" smile

the 306.96 is what I use at the moment and have used for the most time since I buyed that laptop model.

Rimsky wrote:

Fanty1972
what driver version?

try to install older WHQL original version from the NV site and during install choose clean install

It was a 381.82 that I tried. I used "clean install". It had strongly shuttering test line in 120Hz even, what all other drivers I tried did not have.  hmm

I also tried 381.65 (several weeks ago, for 2 days), wich had more dropped frames than the driver I usualy use, then I went back to 306.97

The driver I usualy used all the time is: 306.97
Thats what I also use atm. It has far less dropped frames than the newer ones. Also it was better for World of Warcraft than 310, 311, 312 etc. (the 306 was released with the label: 15%-20% more performance for WOW-Pandaria, wich is pretty much the only game I play atm) wich I all tried back then and went back to 306 because it seemed that the performance boost for WOW got lost after the 306.

In other words, I use 306.97 since its release until now and it never was bad.

Ah well, something I only can tell about 120hz: madVR has a much calmer line for me than EVR-CP. I cant tell about 24Hz (no line) But I know from the look of camera pans, that it too looks quiet bad. I really need to see a "neutral" computer playing these videos. I think I try em next weekend on the PC of someone I know.

Ah time to see the doc and get me back my stereo vision.  big_smile

MAG79 wrote:

Fanty1972
Did you try to use different renderers in MPC-HC. I recommend to try madVR exclusive mode, madVR windowed overlay, EVR full screen mode and overlay mixer. Where you see minimum of jumps of tearing line?
They all have another more stable way of synchronization.

I tried the mentioned 3 and EVR is the only one in wich the MPC Tearing line works (the SVP Tearing line works on all of them, but only with interpolated framerates, wich arent so jumpy in the first place)
I am trying a new driver atm but having a hard time, because I had a chalazion removed and need to wear an eye patch til in about 8 hours from now.

Uh ok, first impression is: the latest driver makes all things worse. TEaring line jumps even in 120hz and I have many, many frame drops. sad

MAG79 wrote:

Fanty1972Did you change your video card driver lately?
Maybe activated/deactivated stereo mode make so strange effect with jumping of tearing line?

I did indeed after starting to use SVP. But switched it back to the old one after I realised that the newer one had about 3times as much "framedrops".
Also I uninstalled und re-installed that one yesterday. Stereomode was not activated since that installation.

I just tested it, switching on/off, no difference.

I must say, I never used that tearing test ever before. So I dont know how the line behaved in the past. I am just sure, "normal" Video did never look that jittering/jumping when camera is moving.

Rimsky wrote:

did you have external monitor as LCD, projector, desktop monitor with 60Hz?
Try connect it to notebook and test on it

I can switch my projector 120hz and 60hz (but the colors are not ok when on 60hz, dont know why. They become blueish). It doesnt help the tearing line. (also of I use 60hz on the laptop display. Colors fine, but no help for the line)

I tested SVp with 120FPS and then it showed
GFX laod: 38%
Video Engine: 41%

I guess that could never have been the Intel HD?

Rimsky wrote:

Fanty1972
ok
what videocard show 58% load video engine?

Uhm....
The menue button on the bottom shows the name of the NVida one and has no other to chose?

hm ok.

I used 1080p

switched a little bit around in the video file.

The highest readings:

Temp: 55
GPU Load: 13%
Memory Controller Load: 8%
Video Engine Load: 58%

Rimsky wrote:

Fanty1972
is intel HD active and in use while stuttering?

Had to google what that is. Some kind of "onboard" GFX, right?
How would one know?

MSI Afterburner says Video makes 670M working, so it shouldnt run on that Intel HD? Or can they run both at the same time and cause trouble by this?

MAG79 wrote:

Fanty1972
1. Run DPC Latency Checker from Start - Programs - SVP 3.1.5 - Utilities. It must show green bars. If not go to dpclat homepage and read carefully how to fix the problem.
2. Run GPU-Z. What GPU Load and temperature when video is played?

Hm. Green bars.

I dont have GPU-Z at hand right now. I use MSI Afterburner (GPU Overclocking tool) instead.

First test:
SD material, 25 FPS
Renderer: EVR-cp, VSync is on
MPC TEaring Test lokks flashing, jittering.
Temperature: 52 Celsius
GPU load: 3-4%

Second.
Full HD 25 FPS
TEaring Test is flashing and moving stuttery aswell
Temp: 54
GPU Load: 8-10%

Third
720p 24FPS
tearing test apears worse, even through it should better fit into 120hz?
Temps and load no difference to Full HD it seems.

After looking at the movement of the lines I am now sure that its also in 120FPS, just 5 times as fast and I think 5 times as short distance) so that its almost not noticable.
Same is for 60 FPS converted files.

OK, let me check beamer....
Everything the same as on the laptop display.

Rimsky wrote:

Fanty1972
what hardware did you use?

This (buyed October 2012)
(first english language page that google wanted to come up with for me):
http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/review/ … ok/427743/

Rimsky wrote:

vsync?

Does not help.
Not if I force it in the driver settings, not if I use it in MPC. Not the improved VSync and not the alternative VSync.

That it must be my PC and not "in general" suggests that I send a FRAPS captured (60FPS because thats the max of FRAPS) "Demonstrationmode" Video. (captured from small windows, otherwise its too slow)
When I play it, there is massive shaking in on the "source" side and perfect smoothness on the "smooth" side.

I mailed (its only 30 seconds in lengh and heavy compressed, so its less than 10MB in size) this video to 3 people I know.
1 said, she cant see any difference at all. 2 said, the right side is SLIGHTLY smoother, but only if one looks close.

Like I said, for ME, the "source" side is UNBEARABLE totaly horrible shaking (nor can I recall "normal" video having so horrible camera pans, nor did I believe anyone would do a camera pan ever, if this is the result) it almost "blurrs" the faces by shaking them in fast speed and the "smooth" side is perfectly calm.  hmm  (it was the camera moving over the faces of some Jedi, in a burrial ceremony. "Clone Wars")

Also bad: the intro of GOT (all the time camera movement. Everything looks like its high frequently (many times per second) shaking 1 or 2 pixels up and down or right and left or something like that.

Sigh.  sad