1,001

(37 replies, posted in Using SVP)

So, more on-topic, it would seem that using SVP 4.0.0.21 doesn't make any difference regarding this.

1,002

(10 replies, posted in Using SVP)

Just a heads up, the issue does occur even with a fresh copy of MPC-HC 1.7.9 PortableApps Edition, but the issue does not occur with SVP 4.0.0.21.

Make of that what you will.

1,003

(1 replies, posted in Using SVP)

And presumably it works fine in a different media player, like the MPC-HC bundled with SVP?

1,004

(36 replies, posted in Using SVP)

Oh, I couldn't help but notice that SVP4 is only distributed as an installer.  Considering that, as far as I can tell, it's only the program directory that gets added since it requires SVP 3.1.7 to be pre-installed, why not just distribute it in an archive?  That would be easier for upgrading to new preview versions and then you don't have to worry about junking up the Windows registry unnecessarily.

1,005

(36 replies, posted in Using SVP)

mashingan wrote:

Is the CPU utilization equal to reduction of artifacts amount?

At least for me, the answer was no - there was a point where increasing the CPU utilization actually increased the artifacts.

1,006

(36 replies, posted in Using SVP)

So um, I put SVP 4 in my windows startup directory since it already seems to do better on my not-so-high-end Core 2 Duo, but whenever Windows is booting up SVP 4 complains that my CPU performance has changed significantly and it wants to re-optimize its settings.  Is there any way to stop this from occurring?

Also there's quite the grammar error in the actual message to the point of sounding like Engrish. tongue

What it currently says wrote:

We need to measure system performance in order to video profile settings auto detection works correctly.

And here's what it probably should say:

We need to measure system performance in order for video profile auto-detection settings to work correctly.

However it's still quite the wordy mouthful to say "video profile auto-detection settings", so it might be better to say this:

We need to measure system performance in order to automatically detect the correct video profile settings.

1,007

(36 replies, posted in Using SVP)

AngReload wrote:

Chainik
It may be wise to increase the load on the system? Decoding HEVC Full HD on the CPU and the calculation of the interpolation frames with "Higher Quality +30%" consumes only 60% of the capabilities of the processor.

I'm seeing a similar under-utilization of the CPU.

I'm on a 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo and, when using my go-to overly-intensive unrealistic 720p stress-test video, my CPU utilization is only like 45%... I'm able to set SVP 4 to +30% which puts my CPU utilization at around 80% and everything still plays back perfectly smoothly.


Does the fact that I'm only using 720p make a difference? (most of my content is only 720p due to internet bandwidth constraints).  It should be noted that I can't even use all the default settings in SVP 3.1.7 due to my CPU not being fast enough and that my GPU doesn't support DXVA2 nor SVP's GPU acceleration.

1,008

(10 replies, posted in Using SVP)

Ryan329 wrote:

Thank you, that fixed the problem for me. Though, there are some artifacts on fast moving object, I am ok with that and willing to deal with this until SVP updates with better Win10 support

If you have an Intel CPU that's less than 5 years old that has integrated graphics then you might also be able to use "Intel QuickSync" as your decoder - it's in the same menu where you selected "DXVA2 (copy-back)".

1,009

(2 replies, posted in Using SVP)

Have you tried making a custom resolution with a refresh rate of 48hz and/or 72hz?  I imagine that would be better than speeding up 24fps content to 25fps...

1,010

(36 replies, posted in Using SVP)

Mystery wrote:

If settings would auto-adjust themselves in the background, and there wouldn't be any lag, it would make it much easier for the user. Perhaps the only setting that would be necessary is whether we want to run the CPU up to 80%, 90% or 100%.

This is of course assuming that an advanced user would be able to set what kind of interpolation settings should be decreased for SVP's less-intense settings.

1,011

(185 replies, posted in Using SVP)

Uhhh, you can do it with a few clicks even in this program, it's just a bit non-intuitive to actually get to the SVP converter in the first place.

The thing is, this program's main purpose is something completely different, so you pretty much need to completely ignore the first screen you see.  You have to go into Tools -> Media Encoder and then set the preset to 60fps.

Take a look at this video starting at 1:05:
https://youtu.be/xvWmP30GmUc?t=65s

1,012

(37 replies, posted in Using SVP)

Derp, double-post. >_>


Maybe we should take this discussion to somewhere like AVSForum instead...?  I mean we're clearly way off-topic now.  This would be the appropriate forum section FYI:
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-flat-p … echnology/

1,013

(37 replies, posted in Using SVP)

...yeah, to me it still sounds like we're not talking about the same thing.

At least to me, what you described sounds like not the pixel response time but rather the panel refresh time (not an actual term AFAIK) - that being the amount of time for all pixels to change from one state to another.

What I was speaking of is the amount of time it takes for a single OLED pixel to transition from one state to another thereby not including the "waiting time" of waiting for any pixels located before said pixels to be updated.  AFAIK, this is typically what is referred to when speaking of to "pixel response time" (note that there is no standard definition for it).


Now yes, you would indeed still need a high refresh rate in order to not have a slow refresh time, but that wasn't my point.  I mean, even current OLED TVs can do 240hz and the like - they just can't accept an input video signal above something like 75hz.


DERP!  Double post...oh well. >_>


xenonite wrote:

Since each pixel is only connected to an electric supply for 15.43us of each frame (best case with a 1080p display, although many OLED displays are 4k), the display driver deposits a huge pulse of electricity to the pixel's storage capacitor during that time. The capacitor then slowly discharges through the pixel, keeping it at roughly the correct value until the next frame refresh comes along. It is this sluggish capacitor response that limits the pixel's response time. Even though the OLED pixel on its own CAN switch in under 0.01ms like you said, it takes much longer for the capacitor to stabilise to the correct value.

I would like to mention that I did not actually say 0.01ms but rather sub 0.1ms - that could even be 0.09ms.

But nevertheless, isn't that like saying CRTs cannot do high refresh rates because some low-end CRT monitor couldn't run above 75hz at an adequate resolution?  There's always going to be cheaper units with worse components - I mean, laptops with 15" 1366x768 LCD displays are still a thing!  My aunt had a Toshiba laptop with 1280x800 in 2004.

xenonite wrote:

Response time compensation techniques try to enhance pixel response by charging the capacitor with a higher voltage than is required for the current transition, which causes a faster transition (since capacitive charging rate is eaqual to the capacitance value multiplied by the time derivative of the voltage over it) but also results in RTC overshoot artifacts.

Is this not what "overdriving" is on LCD monitors?  AFAIK, there is no need to do such a thing on OLED displays...

1,014

(60 replies, posted in Using SVP)

Mystery wrote:

It's quite simple really. SVP was made as a hobby by amateur programmers. They're making the transition into rebuilding it professionally. This means increased costs, more time involved, and much more active development.

If you prefer to keep the hobby software, it will still remain available.

I'd like to mention that quite a few people commonly find hobby software to be better than commercial software save for the multi-hundred dollar professional-level stuff.

1,015

(60 replies, posted in Using SVP)

mashingan wrote:

SolidWorks, AutoCad, AutoDeskInventor, etc are blasphemies too? hmm

Sorry, I was being half sarcastic - I thought my use of "Blasphemy!" would have made that apparent.  I mean, I am primarily a Windows user currently.

...but I would like to point out that none of those 3 pieces of software have native Linux versions.

1,016

(37 replies, posted in Using SVP)

Wait, you sound like you're mixing up pixels response time and display lag (not input lag).  An OLED pixel should be able to switch from white to black or black to white in less than .1ms, but it'll still take at least 16.666...ms for the display itself to respond to the video signal that is being sent to it.

If you take a photo without flash at a fast shutter speed of an OLED display showing various blurbusters tests, none of the photos should have any motion blur even though your eyes see there being motion blur.

1,017

(60 replies, posted in Using SVP)

I do at least appreciate the Linux version being free (currently).  I mean, closed source but free can at times be controversial in itself (read: Nvidia drivers) but closed source and costing money?  Blasphemy!

1,018

(60 replies, posted in Using SVP)

Mystery wrote:

Rewriting the engine itself only came into the discussion later on when exploring Linux and MacOS options.

But like you said, supporting VLC would require said rewrite, and VLC has been mentioned on the Indiegogo page since the beginning.

1,019

(60 replies, posted in Using SVP)

I am not complaining at all about paying for the continued development of something that was originally free.  Rewriting software takes time and energy, I understand that completely.

1,020

(60 replies, posted in Using SVP)

Mystery wrote:

SVP is written for AviSynth. Doing anything for VLC or Mac means rewriting the whole thing from scratch.

Uhhh, isn't said rewriting what SVP4 is all about and was the entire reason we had this fundraiser in the first place?

1,021

(60 replies, posted in Using SVP)

Question - if a new donor were to choose the $15 Mac perk, would they also get the Windows version of SVP?

Mystery wrote:

This campaign is mostly for rewriting the manager, not the core itself.

...I don't see how that makes a difference.  If the manager is good, then any future versions may very well just be updates and iterations of it rather than completely separate rewrites.

1,022

(60 replies, posted in Using SVP)

Mystery, you make it sound like I expect them to develop SVP for the next 35 years, which I don't.

My point was that, if sometime in the future that that Windows goes the way of Blackberry and Nokia to the point that SVP is no longer developed for Windows but is still developed for other platforms, then the "forever free" isn't really as forever as the description makes it out to be.

1,023

(22 replies, posted in Using SVP)

Does MPC-HC crash when SVP is closed?

1,024

(60 replies, posted in Using SVP)

mashingan wrote:

Uh, I don't understand why would the Windows subscriber want the Mac version or vice versa?

I'm thinking very long-term here.  It's very possible that Windows may not actually be around by 2050 but Linux would (especially considering how much Linux is used everywhere else outside of PCs and Apple products).

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(60 replies, posted in Using SVP)

mashingan wrote:

As long they update the SVPflow for performance that's the only thing I need for now big_smile

According to the Indiegogo page it says the performance upgrades were released as part of SVP 3.1.7.