1,226 Topic by Nintendo Maniac 64

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I'm probably one of the few desktop users that overclocks on an Intel CPU without a discrete GPU, so I use the integrated Intel graphics.  The problem is that most CPU+GPU stress tests don't seem to support Intel graphics and/or expect discrete graphics (ROG RealBench comes to mind).

In my experience, it seems that SVP is suprisingly good as a system stability tester, partially due to its heavy use of the CPU and GPU, but even then it can catch instability when the likes of Prime95 + Furmark will run without errors.  The issue though is that it can be a bit difficult to get SVP to use your CPU and GPU at full-tilt, since maxing out the performance of, say, the CPU usually bottlenecks the GPU and vice-versa.

Therefore I think it could be useful to have a specific stress-test mode in SVPmark that specifically runs in a way that it puts a full load on the CPU and the GPU without either being bottlenecked.

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1,227 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64

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Speaking of 64bit, I was going to say that now all we need is a 64bit-compatible version of Livestreamer, but it seems that such a thing got implemented sometime in the last year or so... (around a year ago, it wasn't able to launch 64bit MPC-HC).

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1,228 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64

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It's my understanding that Panasonic and Sony have very good implementations that even include optional black-frame insertion.

Also, special mention to LG's OLED TVs since they have rediculously low pixel response time, though they lack black-frame insertion (doesn't seem to be the fault of the panel since even their LCDs lack it); therefore the rumored Panasonic TV with an LG OLED panel may be the ultimate choice if money was of no concern (assuming the input lag is good).


If you want more expert and in-depth recommendations, it would probably be wise to ask on http://www.avsforum.com/forum/

Also, since this is for PC use, you should definitely make note of the input lag at http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/

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1,229 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64

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Interesting, I just went through every single video and it seems that different sessions are recorded/uploaded from different sources, so some have native 25fps and others have 25--in->30fps...

Anyway, all of the qualifyings are 25--in->30fps as are all the races other than the first 2 races.


Oh, another thing to mention that I thought of: 30/60--in->24fps and even 30/60--in->25fps; these are something you find with videogame footage at times.

The first 5 videos in the following playlist are an example of 60--in->24fps:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P … OlFcdZKiZE

Every single video on this following playlist is an example of 60--in->25fps:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P … ZZaKE6uR7O


EDIT: Is suggesting a "fix" for 20--in->30fps a bit too much?  A good example of this is the two Zelda games on the N64 where they only rendered at 20fps in-game (though menus and splash-screens were 30fps).

Example gameplay video showing that every other frame is doubled:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BUjR5MG3Ho


And I'd like to make a special mention of 24--in->30fps since I unfortunately don't have any example videos at this time, but it's definitely something I've run across more than I like.

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1,230 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64

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MAG79 wrote:

Nintendo Maniac 64
Can you give a link to sample with 25 fps in 30 fps encoded video?

Take your pick:
https://www.reddit.com/r/FormulaE/wiki/howtowatch

AFAIK, all the YouTube links on that page are 25fps source video encoded at 30fps.

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1,231 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64

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It should noted however that a 25fps source that's been resampled to 24fps via dropping a frame can't really be solved via avisynth and/or re-encoding since the solution would involve interpolating an extra frame in an attempt to re-create the dropped frame.

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1,232 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64

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That's great and all, but I was hoping to look for a solution without re-encoding since apparently Sony Vegas can do a similar thing...

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1,233 Topic by Nintendo Maniac 64

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If you take a video that was originally 25fps but was encoded at 30fps, then every 5 frames you will have a doubled frame.  A 24fps video encoded at 30fps is similar.

This isn't too too noticable vs a native 25fps video if you're displaying them on a 60hz display anyway, but if you're running them through SVP @ 90fps then heck yeah is the judder noticable.


Also relevent would be 25fps content resampled to 24fps where a frame has been removed, where once every second you can have a small sudden jump fowards during pans or the like.


Would it be possible to have some sort of "fix" in SVP for such a thing, whether it's automatic or manual?

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1,234 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64

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MAG79 wrote:

As for now you can just copy SVPmark to non-Unicode path to pass its tests correctly.

This is what I've been doing.

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1,235 Topic by Nintendo Maniac 64

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Simply put, if there is a unicode character or symbol in the file/folder path of the program EXE (such as East Asian characters or similar), then when it tries to run the real-world benchmark they just fail to run.

And for reference, my OS's unicode settings are set for Japanese if that makes any difference.

If you need a unicode character/symbol or two to test with, then copy and paste one of these:
あ
＊
？
／

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1,236 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64

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Considering the performance improvements, does this also mean a new version of SVPmark?

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1,237 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64

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...you know that you don't have to wait for the entire graph to go off-screen, right?  Just have no or minimal CPU usage for a few seconds and the average measurement will be smart enough to seperate the two "sessions".

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1,238 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64

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MAG79 wrote:

No chance at near version. It is not simple task.

Hopefully the 10bit in particular happens before consumer OLED PC displays become a thing (LGD is the largest supplier of PC display panels and all their current OLED TV panels are 10bit)

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1,239 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64

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Any chance of support for chroma higher than 4:2:0 and bitdepths higher than 8bpc?

Also, will my previously-made suggestion about an on-screen note regading "Drop every other frame" be present?

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1,240 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64

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When you say performance, are you purely talking about SVP's interpolation or does that include stuff like an updated MPC-HC and/or LAVfilters?

FYI, MPC-HC v1.7.8 uses an LAV revision a bit earlier than the stable v0.64, so it may be wise to replace MPC-HC's built-in LAVfilters with said stable 0.64 version.  For reference, the ZIP release versions of LAV are perfectly compatible with MPC-HC to the point that you can delete all the files in MPC-HC's "LAVFilters" folder and replace it with the contents of the LAV ZIP archive and everything will work perfectly fine.


Blackfyre wrote:

["Start with System Startup"

Is this not the same as the "Load automatically with Windows" setting that is already present?

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1,241 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64

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nemoW wrote:

Well, SVP itself has no specific profiles for video over 1920x1080@24. big_smile

Yeah, so what SVP does is that any video of a higher resolution and the like will use that profile, and your PC may not be able to handle it then.

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1,242 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64

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The only thing is, if you play back anything higher than that profile, it'll still be applied and your PC may not be albe to handle it (like 1440p or 4k video, or maybe 60fps).

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1,243 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64

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Do not assume DVB as it is not used everywhere...

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1,244 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64

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Jeff R 1 wrote:

I'm just kidding, my 980 is overkill for my needs, plus I have better things to spend upwards of 1300.00$ on...  hmm

Two 390x water-cooled editions in crossfire, right?

...or maybe a good deal on an LG OLED TV? (the 1080p models anyway(

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1,245 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64

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Jeff R 1 wrote:

that'll give me an excuse now to buy the new NVIDIA TitanX !   big_smile

...you realize its heat output and power consumption is on level with the 290/x, right?

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1,246 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64

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CamStudio comes to mind.

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1,247 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64

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Well technically the likes of lanczos and bicubic aren't really that great of upscaling algorithms...

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1,248 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64

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Well for one thing, Kepler isn't all that great at GPU-compute...heck at times it's worse than Fermi.

That wouldn't by chance be the reason you had gotten that 290, would it?  Because indeed it certainly has good GPU-compute performance.

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1,249 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64

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Jeff R 1 wrote:

low end components

Well for one thing, what's your definition of 'low end'?  Some people would consider my current Pentium G3258 to be 'low end', even with my current WIP overclock of 4.1GHz.

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1,250 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64

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Well when did you buy it though?  Personally if I bought one now only for it to cost 40% to 50% less in 3 months, I'd be pretty annoyed with myself.

Then again, I'm someone that used a lowly AMD E-350 for 5 months after my AM2+ mobo died until I got the MicroCenter $90 (after rebate) G3258 + mobo bundle, and that was largely because my friend was giving me some DDR3 RAM for free (one module was bad but it had a lifetime warranty - he just didn't want to hassle with an RMA).

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