151 Reply by dawkinscm

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Chainik wrote:

> SVP motion has at least a couple of clear and repeatable stutters for certain scenes that IC does not.

meaning
1. it's a false positive SC, right? in which case you'd better share a sample with the problem... there're a lot of variables to adjust there.
2. you really prefer "RIFE-generated "garbage" frames" over frame repeating at a false-positive SC big_smile

No! I prefer a smooth 60fps motion where an action is clear without jitter or stutters. That's why I paid for SVP, but apparently I was mistaken. Good to know.

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152 Reply by dawkinscm

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Chainik wrote:

> but Image Comparison just performs better overall for every problem scene I have.

probably you just prefer RIFE-generated "garbage" frames over repeated or blended ones

By the nature of your response, I'm guessing by your comment that SVP motion is your baby and because of that maybe you are missing the point. I want SVP motion to be better.  All I'm trying to do here is provide feedback to help you make it so.

Anyway, I tested using an MPV build from this week with the latest SVP update. Maybe it's the latest mpv build or the MPV changes you made,  but SVP motion has improved since the previous update. But since I'm almost certainly watching on the largest screen here, I can see stutters and micro-stutters thats most may not. SVP motion has at least a couple of clear and repeatable stutters for certain scenes that IC does not. Other than that, IC at 15% and SVP motion are practically identical. YMMV.

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153 Reply by dawkinscm

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In all my tests of problem scenes, SVP algorithm at it's best can be better than Image Comparison, but at it's worst can give artefacts similar to NVOF. Image Comparison seems to be the best compromise giving the cleanest output with the least artefacts.

Chainik wrote:

Drakko01

>I still think that image comparison work the best

to be "the best" it must give less false positive scene changes, and less missed scene changes
which is not true

Prior to this latest update, the SVP algorithm might provide the best objective test results for false positives etc, just like a scaling algorithm might have the best objective PSNR and SSIM image quality scores. But in both cases, the resulting output when viewed by a human being can be less preferable to a lower scoring algorithm. It has it's faults, but Image Comparison just performs better overall for every problem scene I have.

*Edit. This conclusion is prior to the more recent SVP update so I have updated comment. Actual test updates will follow.

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154 Reply by dawkinscm

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I think the previous comments are proof that this is setup dependant. SVP MV works best for @Chainik and works well overall but also has clear micro stutters. Some of the stutters are not so "micro". NVOF has always had clear stutters for me but works well for some. All except NVOF are siimlar, including Disable. But for me Image Comparison seems to work best with no obvious microstutters.

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155 Reply by dawkinscm

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Chainik wrote:

> please write down here, for laymen to understand, what's the best opion to use
the default one! (which is "SVP motion vectors")

The default one works well with everything except the intro to Hugo where it stutters considerably.

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156 Reply by dawkinscm

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Xenocyde wrote:

Installed the latest update and I noticed the Duplicate Frame Removal drop-down switched to Remove Every Other Frame. Shouldn't this stay on Don't Remove, even with Image Comparison + SCT 100% + Blend Adjacent Frames?

Mine didn't do that but did anyone else's do that?

The only bug I've seen is that sometimes when you change the Decreasing filter then SVP doesn't work the next time you start a video. But if I make sure to exit the Frame Size window back to the Main window then SVP always works with no issues.

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157 Reply by dawkinscm

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RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

OK so after more testing my current settings are:

TensorRT: 9.2
SC: Image Detect
SCT: 25%
AdjFra: Blend

Disabled similar to when previously set to SCT: 100%
SVP motion vectors work nicely except for Hugo.
NVOP was the worse in previous testing and nothing has changed.

Idk how you test, everything works as intended, check my previous comment, everything over 15/25% is similiar to look!

I know everything over 15/25% is similar. Actually I was the first one to point out that everything over 15% is similar smile But that's what I found worked best with version of MPV that comes with SVP. I've done more testing and found that my later version behaves as before which is a little different to MPV v0.36.
With 0.37 I find that 15% is the smoothest of should mean anything 15 and above but that's not the MPV that comes with SVP so I didn't update my results.

I test with a lot of different types of movement and  I've been using the same test scenes for maybe a year or more so I am very familiar with the artefacts being generated by Rife or in this case by SCT. I also watch on a very large screen so I am able to see every microstutter and even the smallest artefacts.

In the end all of this stuff is setup dependant and YMMV smile

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158 Reply by dawkinscm

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OK so after more testing my current settings are:

TensorRT: 9.2
SC: Image Detect
SCT: 25%
AdjFra: Blend

Disabled similar to when previously set to SCT: 100%
SVP motion vectors work nicely except for Hugo.
NVOP was the worse in previous testing and nothing has changed.

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159 Reply by dawkinscm

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Chainik wrote:

SVP 4.6.0.272

1. added motion vectors-based scene change detection for RIFE
2. configurable "decrease to..." function (on the "Frame size" page) - selectable target resolution and downscaling filter

Thanks for the update. I decided to completely reinstall everything to remove any changes I made. The results so far are that
- SVOP and Image Comparison and disabled give very similar results.
- NVOF might be a little worse overall but still similar.
- This is the same as before except that all of them feel a little less smooth than the previous setup with SC set to 100.
- Setting SC to 100 with this new software seems to be similar to the others as well. Although when I add back the MVP interpolation code that helps. I also put back the TensorRT9.2 files.

Let's see what others say.

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160 Reply by dawkinscm

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I think with microstuttering, some of us can see it because of a large screen size or we are sitting close to a TV or maybe some of us are more sensitive to it. But I think we all get microstuttering with Rife.

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161 Reply by dawkinscm

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flowreen91 wrote:
Xenocyde wrote:

Unfortunately I can still see microstuttering

I noticed that if i exit specific background apps like TeamViewer, i suddenly get 20-30 extra fps with SVP.
I believe TeamViewer reads the memory and causes a bottleneck even when it's minimized in taskbar.

Xenocyde try to close your 200 Chrome tabs and other background apps and see if u find the specific app that causes that microstuttering. It's good to know.
Try it with the 4.17 lite version cause it's easier on the GPU:
https://github.com/AmusementClub/vs-mlr … nal-models

The v4.17 lite version is an experiment and from what I see, it's worse than even v4.17.

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162 Reply by dawkinscm

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dawkinscm wrote:

I made it explicitly clear that I used to make changes the NV3D but now everything is back on default. I always double check before I answer questions about my system. If I'm not sure then I usually say that I'm not sure.

Xenocyde wrote:

OK, so Prefer maximum Power is not helping. Maybe this is not NVCP-related.

Which is exactly the point I was making.

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163 Reply by dawkinscm

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Xenocyde wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:
Xenocyde wrote:

I don't really think it's possible you left everything on default, but whatever, maybe I'm asking too much.

Really? What made you decide today was a good day to call me a liar?

I just want to get to the bottom of this. Was not my intent to call you a liar, I was asking for the exact options you have there because I think having Power management Mode on Normal might cause more microstutters, I'm currently testing with Prefer Maximum Power.

I made it explicitly clear that I used to make changes the NV3D but now everything is back on default. I always double check before I answer questions about my system. If I'm not sure then I usually say that I'm not sure.

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164 Reply by dawkinscm

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Xenocyde wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

There's a tool that someone in this thread mentioned a few months back called NvCleanInstall  which can help. The link is here: https://www.techpowerup.com/nvcleanstall/ smile

OK, I made those two modifications with NVCleanstall, but I can still see 2-3 stutters per 40+ minute TV series episode. I don't have 3D options on default as some games require certain tweaks. Also, I don't really think it's possible you left everything on default, but whatever, maybe I'm asking too much.

I told you about those two changes which I don't think I've ever mentioned before. I also told you that they were unlikely to make any difference, and your response is:

Xenocyde wrote:

I don't really think it's possible you left everything on default, but whatever, maybe I'm asking too much.

Really? What made you decide today was a good day to call me a liar?

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165 Reply by dawkinscm

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Xenocyde wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:
Xenocyde wrote:

So the headset would introduce more lag theoretically? Not sure why that matters. Anyway, what options do you have enabled/disabled in the NV 3D control panel?


No changes made to NV3D panel. I've made some (very) low level driver tweaks by disabling Multiplane Overlay and enabling Message Signalled Interrupts but I doubt they would make a huge difference.

Can you please show a pic with all the options in the 3D panel and maybe explain how to do the other two things you mentioned?

Hi. Please read my post above again smile

As for the other stuff if you don't want to Google and do them manually then there's a tool that someone in this thread mentioned a few months back called NvCleanInstall  which can help. The link is here: https://www.techpowerup.com/nvcleanstall/ smile

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166 Reply by dawkinscm

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Xenocyde wrote:

So the headset would introduce more lag theoretically? Not sure why that matters. Anyway, what options do you have enabled/disabled in the NV 3D control panel?

It's interesting because I used to make changes to NV3D panel and have exotic configurations but it looks like I've gone full circle everything because is back to default. No changes made to NV3D panel. I've made some (very) low level driver tweaks by disabling Multiplane Overlay and enabling Message Signalled Interrupts but I doubt they would make a huge difference. Yes the headset does create more load on the GPU.

The occasional micro-stutter doesn't bother me at all when compared to what it was like before Rife.

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167 Reply by dawkinscm

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Xenocyde wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

Nope I stop using v2 a while back.

Then not sure how you're getting that performance difference. Different components? OC-ed GPU? Some config tweaks? You're getting same readings in task manager too?

 
My CPU and RAM have minor OC tweaks but I stopped OC'in my GPU a long time ago. Yes those readings are from the Task Manager.  BTW my GPU is also transmitting the SVP+MPV processed video back to my headset.

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168 Reply by dawkinscm

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Xenocyde wrote:

Are you on V2 then? I took readings from 4.15 non-V2. With 4.15 V2 or 4.17 V2 @1080p, utilization varies wildly between 40 and 60%, seems like non-V2 is more intensive but at least it stays at 60 something all the time.

Nope. I stop using v2 a while back.

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169 Reply by dawkinscm

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Xenocyde wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

The occasional micro-stutter isn't a major issue of course, but it's surprising that your GPU is hitting 67% with downscaling. For me it's around 30% with the same GPU. I use mpv player.

Haven't actually checked the 4K downscale performance since I don't have a 4K HDR TV and I only get a 4K movie when I can't find the 1080p version. 67% is for native 1080p. I don't have HAGS enabled btw.

HAGS should be off so that is OK. But my previous GPU readings was FHD3D downscaled. With 4K downscaled and playing full ATMOS (which also uses the GPU) my GPU hits 55%.

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170 Reply by dawkinscm

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Xenocyde wrote:

I have an RTX 4080 and I only play 1080p TV series or 4K downscaled to 1080p @2.5X fps with RIFE 4.15. Maximum GPU utilization I see is around 67%. Microstutters are not too often, maybe once every 15 minutes at most.
...
There was a time when microstutters did not occur at all, but who even knows what version of RIFE or what drivers I was using back then.

The occasional micro-stutter isn't a major issue of course, but it's surprising that your GPU is hitting 67% with downscaling. For me it's around 30% with the same GPU. I use mpv player.

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171 Reply by dawkinscm

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Xenocyde wrote:

I had TRT 9.1.2 and decided to give 9.2 a try because I was noticing some microstuttering at times. From what I can see, fast movement might be somewhat improved with 9.2, but microstuttering gets worse. Should I update to latest TRT version or is there really nothing I can do to get rid of microstuttering?

The latest TRT version is noted to have 4x worse performance with Rife. So unlike with other version I haven't even bothered trying.

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172 Reply by dawkinscm

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timharvey wrote:

Hi all, I use RTX 3080 and it works fine with Rife 4.6 but not with Ensemble. Can anyone with experience running with Ensemble give me advice? Or what else does the installation need to do? Thank.

Advice? Don't use it. You would struggle to get it working on a 3090ti never mind a 3080 and from personal experience of using it, I saw zero improvements or benefits.

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173 Reply by dawkinscm

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flowreen91 wrote:
oriento wrote:

4.17 - 2024.05.24 | Google Drive | 百度网盘 : Add gram loss from FILM, need to fully assess the impact.

Gram loss is a type of loss function used in style transfer tasks to capture and preserve the texture and style of an image.
In the context of neural networks and machine learning, FILM stands for Frame Interpolation for Large Motion. It refers to a specific model or algorithm designed to perform frame interpolation, which is the process of generating intermediate frames between existing ones to create smooth transitions, typically in video sequences.
So i think it improves this type of scenarios where the character is hidden temporarily behind an object:
https://github.com/hzwer/Practical-RIFE/pull/23

I have scenes to test this and if v4.17 was an improvement it wasn't very noticeable. But they are still concentrating on Anime so maybe it works better for that.

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174 Reply by dawkinscm

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Xenocyde wrote:

RIFE 4.17 is out with no lite version. Testing now.

L.E.: Not sure what this new version is supposed to improve... I'm getting quite a bit more fast movement artifacts compared to 4.15 and 4.16.

The author says that he is not sure it will improve anything. I tried it first thing and found zero improvements. YMMV.

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175 Reply by dawkinscm

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Chainik wrote:

the file attached there was updated 4 times already
the last time - yesterday

I see now. That was not clear to me which is why I asked. You might want to make it clearer.

But this is great! ASM vertical artefacts are still an issue but it's about as good as I have ever got it to look but now without the stutters. Definite improvements all round.

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