151 Reply by Maken1

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Hi all, everything ok here? i hope smile.

Lets take this like example of the quality of my Guide on my PC, you all take this as example if your pc is much better than mine and im sure it is smile so the results in your case have to be much much better!.

First let me show you this:

http://img.overpic.net/thumbs/h/c/9/xhc9saxl3bz3fm5m4hghh_s.png

Thats my PC, i have lowered some my CPU overclocking to do and demostrate more the quality of my work of all this time about my system performance / overclocks. With such of CPU model / type and my two GPUS ( Nvida GeForce GTS 250 1GB in SLi ) they are nothing compared with the actual hardware so if i figured out how to handle some SVP and more with this then you that have better PC than it, have to be much much better the results if you do all right as describe on my Guide.

This screenshot was taken playing this movie Transformers Revenge of The Fallen IMAX Edition and it specs are:

    Complete name : D:\Movies and Demos\Transformers Revenge of The Fallen IMAX Edition BluRay x264 1080p DTS HD MA.mkv
    Format : Matroska
    Format version : Version 2
    File size : 21.9 GiB
    Duration : 2h 30mn
    Overall bit rate mode : Variable
    Overall bit rate : 20.9 Mbps  --------------------> [i]High Video Bit rate, this kind of bit rate was hard play with SVP before but now is different [/i]:)
    Movie name : Transformers Revenge of the Fallen (2009)
    Encoded date : UTC 2009-11-10 11:14:52
    Writing application : mkvmerge v2.9.7 ('Tenderness') built on Jul  1 2009 18:43:35
    Writing library : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1
    Attachment : Yes / Yes / Yes
  Video #1
    ID : 1
    Format : AVC
    Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile : High@L4.1
    Format settings, CABAC : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
    Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
    Duration : 2h 30mn
    Bit rate : 19.3 Mbps
    Width : 1 920 pixels
    Height : 1 080 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate : 23.976 fps
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.388
    Stream size : 19.8 GiB (90%)
    Title : 19.2Mbps MPEG-4 AVC
    Writing library : x264 core 78 r1318 fe83a90
    Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=4 / deblock=1:-3:-3 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=esa / subme=9 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.2:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=32 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=6 / nr=0 / decimate=0 / mbaff=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=6 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / rc_lookahead=70 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=19272 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=50000 / vbv_bufsize=50000 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:0.80 / zones=85441,87130,b=1.25/87235,90254,b=1.25/90501,91426,b=1.25/160287,160561,b=1.25/162627,162695,b=1.25/162733,162901,b=1.25/162973,163026,b=1.25/163322,163453,b=1.25/163490,163823,b=1.25/163860,163984,b=1.25/164014,164288,b=1.25/168452,168592,b=1.25/168712,169058,b=1.25/169227,169274,b=1.25/169313,169748,b=1.25/169915,169992,b=1.25/170070,170502,b=1.25/170801,171364,b=1.25/171406,171995,b=1.25/178178,178286,b=1.25/182037,182157,b=1.25
    Language : English
    Default : Yes
    Forced : No
  Audio #2
    ID : 2
    Format : DTS
    Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
    Codec ID : A_DTS
    Duration : 2h 30mn
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 1 510 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 6 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth : 24 bits
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Stream size : 1.59 GiB (7%)
    Title : Main Audio DTS 5.1 @ 1536Kbps
    Language : English
    Default : Yes
    Forced : No
  Audio #3
    ID : 3
    Format : Vorbis
    Format settings, Floor : 1
    Codec ID : A_VORBIS
    Duration : 2h 30mn
    Bit rate mode : Variable
    Bit rate : 80.0 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 2 channels
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Stream size : 86.1 MiB (0%)
    Title : Commentary OGG 2.0 @ 80Kbps
    Writing library : libVorbis 1.2 (UTC 2007-06-22)
    Language : English
    Default : No
    Forced : No
  Text #4
    ID : 4
    Format : ASS
    Codec ID : S_TEXT/ASS
    Codec ID/Info : Advanced Sub Station Alpha
    Compression mode : Lossless
    Language : English
    Default : No
    Forced : No

http://img.overpic.net/thumbs/j/j/v/xjjvxennyhfky3ravs9r_s.jpg

Thats result of fallowing my Guide, without SVP and Nvidia drivers 304.79.

Now see this one with the same movie + SVP on + one balanced SVP custom profile ( i recommend you to go to first page - 3rd post to see my recommended profile to start to play and create your own custom profiles ) and the same video drivers:

http://img.overpic.net/thumbs/l/y/o/xlyoao2yiocdtrzeho3w_s.jpg

One thing sometimes i have some problems of high CPU Spikes and performance drop playing 1080p files using on SVP 16 px. Average 0 so i have to lower it to 24 px. Large 2 to minimize some my performance drop on 1080p files. Its not faul of SVP no no no, its my CPU that cant handle more smile. Lets say that if that movie were encoded to 29.97 fps and taking those settings on the SVP then impossible to playback with that PC specs, i have to lower more other settings and sacrifice the smooth and gain more artifacts. With 720p its much better i can use more settings to give more smooth quality and minimize some artifacts, even use some extra audio quality and shaders.


Rimsky use teg /code for technical information

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152 Reply by Maken1

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Zachn wrote:

Hi Maken, thanks for the info, to answer your questions:

1. My motherboard is MSI Z77-GD65 and I have an integrated Soundcard, but I'm not using it to pass sound. Currently, I connected my computer to my Yamaha receiver with an HDMI cable from the GTX680 GPU so all the sound is transferred from the GPU at the moment. Of course I did this because HDMI also transfers high quality Audio so I thought why not use 1 less cable and just pass it from the GPU. I can of course pass the sound from the SPDIF out with a cable but right now it's working with the HDMI cable that is connected to my GTX680. Should I change this for better Audio performance? The option of LG TV (NVIDIA High Definition) is relevant to the HDMI out of the GPU, it's not related to the soundcard on the motherboard.

2. I'll get home and try some SVP settings you suggested, but I'm still having a hard time deciding whether I want to use madVR or EVR. madVR simply utilizes my GPU better than EVR. Also, about DXVA, currently I'm using PotPlayer's default DXVA decoders, why not use LAV for DXVA? Because I saw that with LAV you can choose if you want to use NVIDIA CUVID/DXVA Native/DXVA Copy Back etc, but with PotPlayer's DXVA I don't see these options. Please help me decide which settings are best for me.

Thanks.

Hey Zachn, how is going with the new sound hardware? you like it ?
With that screenshot and the settings about sound and settings you were using, thats perfonmance, lets leave the sound for the end now you should concentrate with the thing that bothers you. Lets put this in this way my friend, lets say that you use EVRCP or MadVR at the end it does not matter in some part if you use the same SVPs settings, your final performance / quality depend on it because you fallowed the steps to set up PotPlayer to get all the performance you can for SVP, now i need you find your best SVP settings that makes you happy, it will determinate your final performance, once you get your best settings if more power left from your CPU and GPU we will use it to give more quality to other things, the idea is use all resourses you can and left to give much more quality for best entertaiment. Lets concentrate on SVP first then later we take care about image quality, sound quality and some extra performance.

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153 Reply by Maken1

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Zachn wrote:

Hey Maken...................................................>

Hey Zachn, good to see friend smile. Ohh congratulations my friend big_smile nice time to make a theater in your home ah? hey invite me to watch some movies big_smile.
Man about graphics, there is something that i cant stand at the time of enjoy it...if  THE SOUND!!! not makes me feel that its almost real then we got a problem -_- lol, thats one of the most importants things for me. the sound make extremely important part for the theater experience. Thats something i was working like crazy more than you can imaginate and i have incredible results to share later.

Ok first i need to know something:

1- Do you have Sound Card? wich one ? what drivers ? Well i see what you said " I have the option to set the audio device as LG TV (NVIDIA High Definition) " , can you tell me your motherboard? For integrated Audio i will post some recommended settings on the Extra Section. I recommend you to buy and install one Sound Card, trust me is the best more if you want to take more advantage of your hardware and enhanced your theater experience and of course gaming as well smile. If you want recommendations then tell me wink.

About the SVP profile ( thanks for provide the screenshot smile is the best way ) i can tell you that it was what i was thinking and your results are normal for me because of this:

Lets explain this in my way and i hope you can understand me.

1- Motion vectors grid , more on this is better, provide more quality to the smooth, you can try to set it to 32px. large 0 and 16 px. Average 0 for example and you will notice the differencies, it cost more or some performance depending the settings you are trying to use but on slow pc this and for 1080p use 16 px. Average 0 and more the performance drop is huge. For example i cant use more than 16 px. Avergare 0 on 1080p movies because CPU usage goes insane in especial if it was encoded to 30 fps. It cause more artifacts that you can lower some with Motion vectors precision.

2- Motion vectors precision set it more than Two pixels on slower PC..man since huge to insane performance drop in especial on 1080p, in my case i cant use for example One pixel on fullHD 1080p, but that setting is very important and always recommended use more than Two pixel if your PC can handle.

3- Decrease frame size if you set it to Disable (default), will make the image look as it original resolution, this is very useful settings ( thanks SVP ) for slow PCs and if your monitor is less than 1080p resolution, you can save some performance setting it To screen size and if your resolution is less than 1080p, but the quality and differencies depend of the final resolution from the file, at the end no matter the default file resolution, it will be resize to your Monitor Screen Resolution.

Example:
1- Your Movie resolution was encoded to 1080p and your Monitors max resolution is 1280x720 or 800 or so, at the end SVP will resize the image of the file to 1280x720 saving your some performance without lost much image quality. It image quality lost could be not noticeable smile all depend from you.
2- Your Movie resolution was encoded to 1080p and your Monitors max resolution is 1080p but you set on Decrease frame size to To 720 px height for example.. then SVP will resize the image to 1280x720p giving you much more performance at cost of noticeable image quality LOST on 1080p monitors / resolutions, the quality will be the same if the movie were enconded to 720p instead of 1080p
3- Your Movie resolution was enconded to 1080p and your Monitors max resolution is 1080p and you set on Decrease frame size to To screen size then i tell you that it is useless it must be set to Disable (default).

Use this setting fallowing those example to save performance or leave the image resolution from the file untouched.

so my friend after this, try yourself to toy with those settings to start to learn use SVP and it profiles, the idea is at the end you create your own custom profiles big_smile for all your Movies, videos and more based on your system performance or your desire quality and system use. I also recommend you go to the first page - 3rd post and fallow my settings to start learning use more SVP because i see you are not happy with your performance and after fallowing my Guide to set up PotPlayer first for SVP the solution for your problems or desires is play with that wink.

More about Audio tips for ultimate sound experience coming later.

Greetings and thanks to you too friend smile.

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154 Reply by Maken1

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Hey Zachn, how you been? i hope that good.

Hey but you are not telling me / showing me what profile or setting are you using on SVP ? screenshot(s) will be useful. The spec of that movie will be useful as well.

Greetings.

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155 Reply by Maken1

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Main post updated

Update:
1- PotPlayer configurations section was updated.

@Zachn
Hi, how you been?
Check the main post > PotPlayer Configurations, try both Cases and show us your results please ( detailed all you can and if possible with screenshots - thanks ). Lets leave enhanced the image quality for the end, once you get properly configured PotPlayer and SVP balanced between Performance and Quality then we go to EXTRA section that will be my next updates for Very High and Extreme Image Quality, note that this will be possible only if users after finish configure PotPlayer, SVP and their custom profiles, if still some power from their CPU and GPU remaind then lets focus on the Image Quality because this will cost more performance drop big_smile.

@Chainik
Hi, how you been?
Yes, thanks and sorry for the late answer, i was so busy working like crazy smile. Maken need money for update my old pc im tired of not be able to play lastest games and i want experiment much more with SVP big_smile. If im honest with you i dont know how to use Wiki much, in fact this will be the first time, there is some settings,etc i still not understand much, i want to finish this Guide here first, then if you help me some we can try with Wiki ok?

Greetings to all peoples.

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156 Reply by Maken1

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Zachn wrote:

Ok, turns out I was wrong, I checked again without SVP and no extra programs in the background, CPU usage is 0%-4% when playing a 1080p MKV file so all is good.

Now it's time to move on to reducing CPU usage with SVP and increasing GPU usage. What's the next step?

Hi Zachn, how you been?

I was very busy and problems with my network sad, thats why i still not upload the new updates about my guide.

Ohh key thats better smile, now you can try go to the first page and find the 3rd post, there is something id posted about SVP, create/add your own SVPs profiles. Something to start to play and learn while im testing other things for update my Guide.

In my opinion you should not worry much about high CPU usage because think this, more performance could mean less quality ( ideal for old and slower pcs ) and high quality could mean high performance drop but it worth, if you have a good pc the idea is use it power to provide that high quality. Ok you can get some kind of balance between both but it need advanced users and much dedication. I recommend you first install SVP, leave SVP that auto detect your hardware and adjust the profiles depending of it, play your movies, see your performance and more important your smooth quality, if you like it results then you can just add new profiles fallowing some settings from them and add few mores for an easy go. Now if you dont like and want to try to get that kind of balance between performance and high quality then you need to play more with SVPs adding your personal profiles adjusted to your own tastes. I know that more quality i want more power i need.

Friend start fallowing those instructions on the first page - 3rd post to start to learn and add your own custom profiles for all your media smile. Once my network get better i will post my new updates.

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157 Reply by Maken1

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Hey Zachn, good to see you again smile.

Hmm you say that without SVP and playing that Movie from the screenshot ( Batman ), you get arround 25% of CPU usage ? thats too bad, too much, im wondering if that mkv is very high bitrated or with very high Reference Frames.. I have Transformers Revenge of the Fallen IMAX FullHD 1080p DTSHD MA 5.1 mkv with this spec: arround 20Mbps video bitrate that is very high for  old PC and with my personal configurations without SVP it just take from my CPU 11% without running anything in the background, with your CPU big_smile it should be near ZERO or 1%. With 720p my CPU usage is 4/8% with the same case. I think something is missing there, one step or something that is consuming you alot of CPU usage when playing that file. Just wait, i will update the Guide with some Detailed images for an easy fallowing, if after that you are still having that high CPU usage without SVP then is sure that is something else that you dont know, taking without need more resourses than normal. Dont worry we will soved that very soon smile.

@Rimsky
Thank you again smile, you helped me with more things i was wondering before.

@Chainik
  big_smile sorry friend.

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158 Reply by Maken1

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Zachn wrote:

Hi Maken,

I tried your new guide, and I've followed your Case 1 scenario:

Use EVR Custom Present as Video Renderer + Lav Video Decoder as Video Decoder for less CPU usage at cost of more GPU usage and this last thing can be minimized some using Nvidias Cuda or DXVA2 only if your Video Card is powerful, if your Video Card is older and slower, IS NOT RECOMMENDED to use EVR CP. If you try EVR CP + SVP high settings + older and slower Video Cards the results will be horrible, unplayable and annoying as hell. Are we clear about this?

So I'm using EVR Custom Present with LAV as a Video Decoder but I actually got the reverse result.

Instead of having lower CPU usage at the cost of higher GPU usage, I now have high CPU usage of 50-60% and my GPU usage has reduced to 25% max.
When I'm using madVR with 4-8 taps in upscaling and linear light enabled, my GPU usage hits around 40% and I think that the image quality is a bit better.

I also tried using PotPlayer's internal decoders with EVR but the result was the same. It seems like for me the best option is to use madVR for best GPU usage, but I can't seem to reduce CPU usage.

Also, should I use Haali Media Splitter instead of LAV? I'm not sure what to do...

Right now, I deleted everything, cleared Registry with CCleaner and I'm waiting for your reply to start again from the beginning.

Thanks

Zachn i see something is happening that maybe you dont know yet, i have an idea but i need your help with something as well big_smile ok?

First lets only concentrate about PotPlayers configuration and later we use SVP ok? We need to see how the configurations work for you then i need you to try this:

1- From Installations section, do steps 1, 2, 3, 4 and 6 ( skip 5 for now ).
2- From PotPlayer configurations section, do steps 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6 only.
3- Set EVR Custom Present as Video Renderer.
4- From VIDEO DECODERS section > Case 2 > do steps 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5
5- From AUDIO section, you know what to do.
6- Again Playback any FullHD 1080p or 720p video or movie you have for a moment and make sure to see how much performance and low cpu usage you have. It can be any Clip from Trailers or Movies in mkv or any AVCHD. At this point check now your CPU usage without SVP with the files you was trying to play or when you CPU was arround 50 / 60% that bother you smile. If you can try to take screenshot(s) of your CPU usage and post here to see it better also if you can to provide me the specs of the file you are trying to play it would be good.

Because i dont know what settings are you using on your SVPs custom profiles if is the case you are or if you dont have any custom profiles then i need to know which Profile SVP use for that file(s) you was trying to play, that settings could be high settings because your CPU power. Lets skip SVP for now until you get high performance on PotPlayer first, then in that way we make sure that PotPlayer is not totaly the problem ( the problem that bothers you about your 50/60% CPU usage ). Id posted some basic steps to configure and start to play with SVP and you can find it on the first page - 3rd post, check it out as well.

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159 Reply by Maken1

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Rimsky wrote:

Maken1

how much words...  wink

English is not native language for you and for me, and this is the problem.

1. LAV Video Decoder is recommended for MPC becouse MPC internal filters does not support DXVA2 copy-back decoding.
But PotPlayer internal decoders support it, so sensibly to use internal PotPlayers DXVA2 decoders instead LAV Video Decoders.
Becouse it good for stability reduce filters between videofile and FFDShow RAW
You chain: videofile - splitter - video stream - PotPlayer filter - LAV video decoder - FFDShow RAW = 6 parts
My recommended chain: videofile - splitter - video stream - PotPlayer DXVA2 - FFDShow RAW = 5 parts
In some cases unnecessary videofiler before FFDShow RAW may corrupt FPS value for FFDShow RAW, so SVP didn't resolve correct FPS and algorithms.


2. Haali splitter is a little bit faster then LAV splitter.
I recommended to install LAV splitter first, and over it haali splitter.
Haali take itself mp4, mkv, ts, and other supported files, and for LAV splitter remain flv, web-m, etc.
If haali can not split videofile - LAV take itself and split them.
Our team take an advice, test this method and find it good, so it realized in SVP full distributive and RimPack.


By the way: no matter CUDA or DXVA2 HW decoding in LAV Video Decoder becouse CUDA and DXVA2 simply interface for one videochip engine. So no difference in speed between it.
And only Intel QuickSynk may take advantages.

Rimsky THANK YOU!!! for your recommendations!!! big_smile you helped me with somethings that i was wondering...

One thing.. what is your recommendation for set Haali and Lav Splitters on PotPlayers " Source/splitter Filter " section? for example i set Haali splitter for MKV and MP4 only and the rest with Pots Built-in Source/splitter.

On my guide i will recommend use PotPlayers Video Decoder and Haali Splitters.

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160 Reply by Maken1

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Zachn wrote:

Maken1 wrote:

Greetings Zachn , good to see here again.

You said:" I've set madVR to the highest scaling options as said "
Ok this can be maxed for Powerful PC in especial GPUs but its not always necessary, i mean you will not do nothing or notice nothing if you cant notice the differencies when you set X value on them. If is that the case then the unnecessary high GPU usage will not worth and before try or keep X values on X Scaling options you first need to be sure that you understand and always keep in mid this:

-The CHROMA UPSCALING 'sharpness' or 'steps' setting can't be less than Luma Upscaling, and Luma Downscaling , this is my recommendation.
-The more Sharpness or Steps you use, the more Quality you get, BUT, MORE GPU CYCLES WILL BE USED, so make sure that your GPU is powerful enough to handle those high settings when combined with SVP. I recommend that you start with the values on the images at first, and later you can try more. Remember those higher settings will cost you more GPU performance.
-Scale in linear light on Luma Upscaling and Luma Downscaling will cost you a lot of GPU Performance so these settings are for powerful GPUS only.
-When using MadVR the video color settings from your video card drivers are not working, so if you want to use video color settings for your media you can set gamma with MadVR. You can set gamma,color and more with FFDSHOW without any problem, it will cost you some CPU usage depending of what settings and values you are trying to apply

as i said in my actual and work in progress Guide. This particulary will be more detailed while my Guide progressing more, of course basing of my understanding. This part is very important, any setting here will change the final possibilities you will have to use more things to take advantage of your GPU free resourses to enhanced much more the QUALITY with PotPlayer and SVP.

Again i say Yes, its normal to have half or more of your CPU and GPU usages when both are powerful enough when playing 1080p, in fact this is the true challenger that all PCs will face. If you find the way to obtain the best performance with heavy and high quality 1080p.. then everything and less than that will be nothing! for your PC  that means less power usage, less heat, less noise ( from your Fans if they are set to auto adjust speed depending of it components temperatures ) and to do more thing at same time.

You can starting to use my new Guide now, i was updating the main post with it, there is some images and settings that appear to be the same as the old guide but, there is new advises and concepts to fallowing.  You have new stuffs to try to keep you busy   , you have to post here how its going, your new discover or changes and more, it will help me in my work.

Thanks

Great! Thanks smile

When do you expect to have the entire guide finished?

Greetings Zachn smile

All depend, i cant give you an exact date for finish it but i think id gave you and to all enough stuffs to start to play with.
To keep you all busy and learning at the same time while im testing more things that will be posted on the EXTRA section, before those new settings being posted on the EXTRA section ( settings to enhanced alot the image quality and audio ), im thinking in post later part of my results, once im happy with them then post it on the main post.
Have you try everything that id posted in the main post? i need peoples feedback, if there a problem or question is the idea or you want to know just something espesific?

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161 Reply by Maken1

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Rimsky wrote:

Maken1
how you been man?

best of all!!!  wink

I forget to say - RimPack_Pot only in Russian.

I have two question:

1. Why did you use and advise Lav Video Decoder in spite of internal Pot Player Decoder. It good, it work, it return back decoded frames to memory

2. Haali splitter is more functionally than LAV Splitter
a) haali can merge linking video, offten in serials opening and ending cut in another file for econmy, haali deals with it fine, but with LAV Splitter subtitles and audio mistimes occur becouse LAV Splitter did't merge opening/ending to main file
b) haali can play various version in video file, for example directors/theatrical cinema versions in one file
c) haali icon in tray is more comfort for change sub/audio tracks than in player

So may be you change you gide in this points? LAV Video -> Pot internal decoder, LAV splitter -> haali

Greetings Rimsky smile

You said: 1. Why did you use and advise Lav Video Decoder in spite of internal Pot Player Decoder. It good, it work, it return back decoded frames to memory ?
A: Sorry i did not understand much.. you ask me why im using or recommending these Video Decoders?
You also said: It good, it work, it return back decoded frames to memory ?
A: What is good ? Lav Video Decoder or PotPlayer Video Decoder ?

Just in case, i was talking and recommending use these Video Decoders because both are good, in the case of PotPlayer Video Decoder, with the lastest versions of PotPlayer it comes very good to provide more compatibility and performance in case if someone encounter X problems using Lav Video Decoder then that person can try the other alternative Video Decoder ( Pot Video Decoder ). Im using PotPlayer Video Decoder because the performance it provide me.
Lav Video Decoder + CUDA as alternative for try to lower some GPU usage for NVIDIA users.

You said: 2. Haali splitter is more functionally than LAV Splitter
A: Yes, i also use Haali Splitter but only for MKV and MP4 and the rest is set by PotPlayers Splitters. Id recommended Lav Splitters for the ones who like to use them, but thanks i should recommend another Splitter as alternative or maybe as you said recommend Haali Splitter only.  But you recommend me use Haali Splitter for all file types or only for ?


Thanks Rimsky big_smile

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162 Reply by Maken1

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Finished the main important steps to set up PotPlayer before try SVP, the EXTRA step is still work in progress.
Added " 6- My personal SVPs custom profiles " to my guide, one simple custom profile as recommendation to start to play with your custom SVP profiles. You can find it in the first page > 3rd post.

ENJOY AND REPORT ISSUES, YOUR RESULTS, YOUR PERSONAL AND RECOMMENDED PROFILES AND MORE.

THANKS MORE IS COMING LATER.

MAKEN

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163 Reply by Maken1

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Zachn wrote:

Maken1 Wrote:
Hi Zachn , how are you?

High and more CPU usage than half of your CPU capabilities playing 1080p ( 1920x800 )/ fullHD 1080p ( 1920x1080 ) content + SVP or custom AviSynth scripts for smooth them all is NORMAL. This change depending of many factors, which Players with X settings you are using on it, what kind of codecs are installed, in use and configured, what kind of Hardware you have and it limits, what kind of file you are trying to playback and smooth and more. I hope with the upcoming update i can answer / help this kind of situations but high usage on 1080p content + smooth them all is NORMAL, remember more smooth and shaders you want to use on your fav 1080p content so more performance will cost and in special if you want highest / extreme enhanced image quality.

I see you have a powerful pc there ah? mine is still old but its ok coz it was helping me alot to rework and spot very good things to now give me good performance and 2x more smooth than before thanks to lastest SVP. Also new drivers, updated players and more help, thanks for your interesting on my Guide, just forget it, unistall and delete all, wait for my upcoming updated Guide because is much better ( for me at least  im more happy than before ) and it will be the best on PCs like your. I will answer all your questions all i can of course because my knowledge is limited but we have the SVP that will help me and you all as well with things that are beyong of my knowledge.

Sorry for the bad english, keep alert and coming to here again.

Hey, thanks for your reply smile

In regards of what Player I'm using, I've followed all the instructions on your guide and I'm using PotPlayer.

I've set madVR to the highest scaling options as said, I don't have a problem with the CPU and GPU usage, both are strong and overclocked so it's not an issue, I just wanted to make sure it's normal to have a 50-60% usage when playing 1080p. I am also playing all contents with the Uniform setting in SVP for max smoothness, however, I didn't create profiles or used AviSynth yet, not even sure what it does. In regards of codecs used, player settings and DXVA - All according to your guide.

So far I'll keep things as they are atm, I'm satisfied with the quality, I'd love to read your new guide and setup everything from scratch, just let us know when it will be available, I'll make sure to check this page every few days.

Thanks again smile

Greetings Zachn smile, good to see here again.

You said:" I've set madVR to the highest scaling options as said "
Ok this can be maxed for Powerful PC in especial GPUs but its not always necessary, i mean you will not do nothing or notice nothing if you cant notice the differencies when you set X value on them. If is that the case then the unnecessary high GPU usage will not worth and before try or keep X values on X Scaling options you first need to be sure that you understand and always keep in mid this:

-The CHROMA UPSCALING 'sharpness' or 'steps' setting can't be less than Luma Upscaling, and Luma Downscaling , this is my recommendation.
-The more Sharpness or Steps you use, the more Quality you get, BUT, MORE GPU CYCLES WILL BE USED, so make sure that your GPU is powerful enough to handle those high settings when combined with SVP. I recommend that you start with the values on the images at first, and later you can try more. Remember those higher settings will cost you more GPU performance.
-Scale in linear light on Luma Upscaling and Luma Downscaling will cost you a lot of GPU Performance so these settings are for powerful GPUS only.
-When using MadVR the video color settings from your video card drivers are not working, so if you want to use video color settings for your media you can set gamma with MadVR. You can set gamma,color and more with FFDSHOW without any problem, it will cost you some CPU usage depending of what settings and values you are trying to apply

as i said in my actual and work in progress Guide. This particulary will be more detailed while my Guide progressing more, of course basing of my understanding. This part is very important, any setting here will change the final possibilities you will have to use more things to take advantage of your GPU free resourses to enhanced much more the QUALITY with PotPlayer and SVP.

Again i say Yes, its normal to have half or more of your CPU and GPU usages when both are powerful enough when playing 1080p, in fact this is the true challenger that all PCs will face. If you find the way to obtain the best performance with heavy and high quality 1080p.. then everything and less than that will be nothing! for your PC big_smile that means less power usage, less heat, less noise ( from your Fans if they are set to auto adjust speed depending of it components temperatures ) and to do more thing at same time.

You can starting to use my new Guide now, i was updating the main post with it, there is some images and settings that appear to be the same as the old guide but, there is new advises and concepts to fallowing.  You have new stuffs to try to keep you busy  tongue , you have to post here how its going, your new discover or changes and more, it will help me in my work.

Thanks

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164 Reply by Maken1

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Rimsky wrote:

Maken1

I red your last guide. Great things. And 2/3 of it already realized in RimPack with Pot. I only did not add MadVR as render.
Try RimPack_Pot, may be you like it  wink

Hi Rimsky big_smile, how you been man? i hope that good.

Ohh ok wink exelent, i will check it out big_smile.

Its still not complete, im planning to add more important things, including images and more. I hope you like it as well once it get more complete.

Greetings.

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165 Reply by Maken1

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Main post is some updated with the new version of my guide dedicated for Highest Quality.

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166 Reply by Maken1

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Zachn wrote:

Hi Maken, first, thanks a lot for this guide, image quality is amazing smile

I followed the exact steps you listed, I set madVR scaling settings to the max (8 taps and scale with linear light) but I have one little issue with the CPU usage.

When I'm playing 1080p contents, my CPU usage can go as high as 65%, GPU usage is usually around 30-40% which is fine since I enabled the highest settings, but CPU worries me a little.

This is my system:

i5 2500K @ 4.5GHz 1.35V
Zalman CNPS10X Extreme
MSI Z77A-GD65
2x4GB Corsair Vengeance Red DDR3-1600
EVGA GTX 680 Superclocked Signature 2
Seasonic X-650 Gold 80 Plus
Crucial Micron M4 128GB SSD
Western Digital 1TB Caviar Blue 7200RPM
Corsair Obsidian 650D
Windows 7 Ultimate x64

Can you please help me reduce CPU usage, without hurting the image quality? Maybe there's a setting I missed?

Thanks

Hi Zachn , how are you?

High and more CPU usage than half of your CPU capabilities playing 1080p ( 1920x800 )/ fullHD 1080p ( 1920x1080 ) content + SVP or custom AviSynth scripts for smooth them all is NORMAL. This change depending of many factors, which Players with X settings you are using on it, what kind of codecs are installed, in use and configured, what kind of Hardware you have and it limits, what kind of file you are trying to playback and smooth and more. I hope with the upcoming update i can answer / help this kind of situations but high usage on 1080p content + smooth them all is NORMAL, remember more smooth and shaders you want to use on your fav 1080p content so more performance will cost and in special if you want highest / extreme enhanced image quality.

I see you have a powerful pc there ah? mine is still old but its ok coz it was helping me alot to rework and spot very good things to now give me good performance and 2x more smooth than before thanks to lastest SVP. Also new drivers, updated players and more help, thanks for your interesting on my Guide, just forget it, unistall and delete all, wait for my upcoming updated Guide because is much better ( for me at least big_smile im more happy than before ) and it will be the best on PCs like your. I will answer all your questions all i can of course because my knowledge is limited but we have the SVP that will help me and you all as well with things that are beyong of my knowledge.

Sorry for the bad english, keep alert and coming to here again.

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167 Reply by Maken1

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Conditioned wrote:

Thanks for this guide and SVP!

Any chanced of getting a comprehensive high quality guide? I really dont understand how to set it how its supposed to be for highest quality settings :L/

Hi, how you been?
Really sorry for the late answer, im back and wait for the upcoming update smile. I hope it answer all your questions.

Greetings.

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168 Reply by Maken1

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HI ALL smile, EVERYTHING OK HERE? I HOPE
FIRST THAN NOTHING I HAVE TO SAY REALLY SORRY TO ALL SVP TEAM and USERS WHO WAS WRITING ME ABOUT MY GUIDE AND MORE, SORRY FOR NOT ANSWER YOU ALL BEFORE, I WAS VERY SICK sad BUT THANKS TO GOD IM BACK AGAIN AND I FINALLY RECOVERED MY ACCOUNT BECAUSE I WAS HAVING TROUBLES WITH MY EMAIL ( LONG HISTORY TO TALK ). I THOUGHT THIS WAS DELETED BECAUSE OF THAT BUT IM HAPPY THAT ITS NOT big_smile. I HAVE ALOT OF VERY GOOD UPDATES TO SHARE AND IM SURE YOU ALL GOING TO ENJOY AS HELL, IM USING LASTEST SVP AND I CAN SAY IS THE BEST OF ALL VERSIONS, THE SMOOTH QUALITY IS AMAZING!! YOU GUYS SVP TEAM ARE GURUS ON THIS THANKS. ALSO THIS LASTEST SVP + MY UPDATED SETUP GUIDE GIVE 2X MORE SMOOTH QUALITY THAN BEFORE AND IN SOUND I HAVE VERY GOOD UPDATES TO SHARE AS WELL.

I WILL START TO UPDATE AND REWORK ON THIS AGAIN. AGAIN SORRY FOR NOT ANSWER YOU ALL BEFORE AND THANKS TO SVP TEAM FOR THEIR HARD WORK, DONT FORGET TO SUPPORT THEM AND KEEP USING THIS AND THANKS FOR NOT DELETE MY GUIDE.

SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH

REGARDS.

MakeN

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169 Reply by Maken1

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I want to share my experience, for me SVP 3.1.1 is more faster than 3.0.6 , 3.0,6 can do less artifacts with settings that are for that purpose but cost you some smooth quality, something than with 3.1.1 not happen much, i manage to get almost the same less artifacts when i was using 3.0.6 ( with my custom settings ofc ) but with 1x more smooth quality compared with 3.0.6. In the case of CPU performance, for me 3.1.1 is much better in fact i can use some settings and playback some files that i was not able to do with previous version. For me 3.1.1 is a keep until SVP release something better.

Sorry for bad english.

Greetings.

MakeN

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170 Reply by Maken1

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Chainik thanks for the update, i use potplayer and it does not crash on seek anymore since v3.1.1, i dont know if i need this but i installed anyway smile. Its working good, i try to seek and its ok no crash for my side.

Greetings.

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171 Reply by Maken1

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Hi all, hi all SVP Team, after all this time i was toying with my Overclocking, PotPlayer + filters and SVPs settings to get a little bit more performance.
I was testing change the video decoder and use CoreAVC 3.0.1 using Cuda, i noticed a little more smooth quality just in some cases than using Lav Video Decoder but, it was unstable i mean easy to crash and got stutter with some Videos, thing that not happen when i use Lav Filters, if someone want try to use CoreAVC for a moment and see your smooth quality, then try Lav Video Decoder then compare your experience. I was testing in my pc my settings with a GTX 560Ti ( from a friend ) i just can say that it VP5 + CUVID is the best i mean faster. Im saving money to buy one, this GPU handle SVP well, ok is not maybe the most powerful gpu for SVP i dont know but its very good at least much better than my two GTS 250 big_smile XD.
I need to reinstall Windows 7, once i got my Windows and system working like before then i will complete my new guide for the new SVP.

Greetings to all take care

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172 Reply by Maken1

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Chainik
YEs till now for me is much better!, i mean with 3.0.6 was ok, good performance in some cases, less artifacts after using some settings that sacrifice some smoothness, but with this new one is almost the same less artifacts ( i mean artifacts that not bother me so much after try some settings ) and the good new is this provide me better smooth quality than previous, so IN OTHER WORDS, YES THIS NEW ONE IS MUCH BETTER AND IS A KEEP TILL NEW CHANGES smile.

Greetings.

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173 Reply by Maken1

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Rimsky
Ohh man haha my bad you right, i forget that option, yes thanks now much better smile.

Greetings.

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174 Reply by Maken1

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Chainik

Hey chainik, finally big_smile manage to make this work on my system, very good, id found the best settings to save a lot of performance, give x2 more smooth quality than with 3.0.6 and with not much artifacts big_smile ( i think like -50% less artifacts than before ) . I can use my new settings even with 1080p 23.976 fps big_smile and max CPU usage arround 76/93% with it and with less resolution than that then less usage big_smile. BTW no more stutters once found the best settings for my system. My system cry more with Variable framerate in 1080p content, the rest is ok.

Later some screenies
Greetings.

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175 Reply by Maken1

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hey got very good news big_smile this is working now, good performance, im still testing and one thing by default this version make stutter and micro stutter alot, but once you create custom profile and change somethings, everything goes ok, i mean i dont have more ugly stutters ( that the default X profiles was doing ), i recommend you create new one, edit it, then stutter gone that happened in my case. I dont update, just unistall the previous version then install the new one. I have less Cpu usage spikes compared with 3.0.6 and the same happen with my GPUs with the BICUBIC option enable from Motion vector, etc. Ohh the Error that i mentioned before in other Thread about SVPs message error anytime if i change X settings on the profile or just jump to X second or minute of the movie... ITS GONE NOW thanks for this, i can go foward or backward and so and no problems big_smile.

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