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Xenocyde wrote:Nice, thank you! Do you guys test with pre-rendered RIFE or real-time RIFE rendering.
I've never even tried pre-rendered Rife. Real time Rife ALWAYS!
Xenocyde wrote:Interestingly enough, the short clip is yielding different results on 4.16 V2 Lite. The long clip shows faint artifacts on the bottom left side of the net, but the short clip shows no artifacts in that area, although I can see faint artifacts on the right side of the net now.
Maybe try a longer clip of 20 seconds or so?
Xenocyde wrote:dawkinscm wrote:Xenocyde wrote:How do you guys activate Rife in a short clip like that one I linked above? I play the clip but Rife does not activate. I have the long clip of 47 minutes, and I can see more interference artifacts in the goal net on 4.15 V2 towards the left bottom side. Those artifacts are barely visible on 4.16 V2 Lite.
As you have found, only clips above a certain duration will cause SVP to trigger. When I had this issue some time back, I found the setting for the video duration threshold and I think I set it to zero which means SVP will run on any length of video clip. I can't remember if it's code or an actual SVP setting because it's not in the SVP manual.
Welp, if anyone knows how to reduce that threshold to 0, please let me know.
OK found it. In the settings it's under setup and it's called min_duration.
Xenocyde wrote:How do you guys activate Rife in a short clip like that one I linked above? I play the clip but Rife does not activate. I have the long clip of 47 minutes, and I can see more interference artifacts in the goal net on 4.15 V2 towards the left bottom side. Those artifacts are barely visible on 4.16 V2 Lite.
As you have found, only clips above a certain duration will cause SVP to trigger. When I had this issue some time back, I found the setting for the video duration threshold and I think I set it to zero which means SVP will run on any length of video clip. I can't remember if it's code or an actual SVP setting because it's not in the SVP manual.
Xenocyde wrote:dawkinscm wrote:Thanks but it says I need to request access.
Try this.
Thanks for this. I had a look with Rife v4.15 v2 lite and even slowed it down to make sure. I saw no fast movement artefacts when panning or anything else.
Xenocyde wrote:dawkinscm wrote:Fair enough. All the fast motion artefacts I see are improved with v4.15 but left untouched by v4.16. Can you could post a clip? It might be useful to add it to my test collection.
Here it is.
Thanks but it says I need to request access.
Xenocyde wrote:dawkinscm wrote:I don't know about Anime but for live action both versions of 4.15 are much better for fast movement artefacts. Also mpv has nothing to do with Rife AI generated artefacts because they are "AI generated" artefacts.
I'm testing with live action, never tested anime. I have a specific scene from a BBC documentary abut the 1990 football cup in Italy where the camera pans from right to left and the football net usually shows interference artifacts. This scene looks a bit better on 4.16 V2 Lite compared to 4.15 V2.
Fair enough. All the fast motion artefacts I see are improved with v4.15 but left untouched by v4.16. Can you could post a clip? It might be useful to add it to my test collection.
Xenocyde wrote:Tried 4.16 V2 Lite with the new MPV update a few days ago and it looks like the fast movement interference artifacts are almost gone now.
I don't know about Anime but for live action both versions of 4.15 are much better for fast movement artefacts. Also mpv has nothing to do with Rife AI generated artefacts because they are "AI generated" artefacts.
scb wrote:I noticed there is only a 'Lite' version available for 4.16. Does anyone know if that's how things will be from now on, just 'Lite' versions?
They were planning to use the "lite" from now starting from v4.16. But v4.15 is much better so that might have been a miscommunication. Either way it looks like they want to start using "lite" models.
scb wrote:What does Lite even mean in practice?
With the exception of 4.14 lite, they use less GPU resources than the non "lite" models.
SHTH34D wrote:Does this showing up in the command line mean I need to change something?
"Your ONNX model has been generated with INT64 weights, while TensorRT does not natively support INT64. Attempting to cast down to INT32."
Yep just ignore it. Internal stuff.
RickyAstle98 wrote:Please reatach my reedited comment again, dont reply to it, will be deleted 
I deleted my reply so i don't have anything to reattach. Don't worry about it
RickyAstle98 wrote:dawkinscm wrote:RickyAstle98 wrote:In my case problem not with artefacts, frames are mismatched or delayed a bit!
Is that for build_optimization or running at 72fps.
My RTX 4070 doing perfect smooth 4.4-4.9 models, 4.10+ models not smooth, with or without build optimization or running at 72fps or dropped frames...
Update : opt level 1 helps 4.10 to 4.14 models for smoothness...
That's weird but I am interested to see the rest of your findings. But I don't like the fast action artefacts that models below 4.15 produce. Running at 72fps there are some slow pan issues on a couple of movies but for now I will stick with v4.15 lite/72fps.
RickyAstle98 wrote:dawkinscm wrote:Update:
I think my initial impressions were correct. For certain artefacts, Rife v4.15 lite 72fps works almost as well as Rife 4.15 60fps. For others they are about the same with both running at 60fps. So Rife v4.15 lite 72fps is not quite as smooth at 60fps but it minimises certain artefacts while being smooth enough to not be a problem.
In my case problem not with artefacts, frames are mismatched or delayed a bit!
Is that for build_optimization or running at 72fps?
aloola wrote:has anyone tried the option builder_optimization_level=5?
BTW Thanks for the reminder. The last time I tried this I remember seeing warnings generated, possibly because it was running out of workspace. Now I get no more errors and I think it does help a little.
RickyAstle98 wrote:dawkinscm wrote:RickyAstle98 wrote:But what TRT doing in my case? No drops no stutters but not smooth (any after 4.10), even with new optimization level, ah yes wait >
Builder optimization level 5 (default 3), adds another 3 minutes to build engine cache lock and only 3% performance!
Yeah I just tried it and if it is making a difference, it's at the margins and maybe pushing 4.15 lite closer to 4.15. But I will need to test with 4.15 to be sure. Also I'm not used to waiting this long for engine build anymore lol.
Hehe!
Update:
I think my initial impressions were correct. For certain artefacts, Rife v4.15 lite 72fps works almost as well as Rife 4.15 60fps. For others they are about the same with both running at 60fps. So Rife v4.15 lite 72fps is not quite as smooth as 60fps but it minimises certain artefacts while being smooth enough to not be a problem.
RickyAstle98 wrote:But what TRT doing in my case? No drops no stutters but not smooth (any after 4.10), even with new optimization level, ah yes wait >
Builder optimization level 5 (default 3), adds another 3 minutes to build engine cache lock and only 3% performance!
Yeah I just tried it and if it is making a difference, it's at the margins and maybe pushing 4.15 lite closer to 4.15. But I will need to test with 4.15 to be sure. Also I'm not used to waiting this long for engine build anymore lol.
RickyAstle98 wrote:With TRT 10.0 my RTX 4070 struggles to 24>96 hd source (4.16 lite realtime), but easy 24>120 with TRT 9.2 hehe!
Maybe you know solution, why any models after 4.10 not smooth enough? But difference between 4.12 and 4.4 a whole pit, but SMOOTHNESS drop?
Maybe its frame pacing problem, just listen, 4.4v2 24>72 looks very smooth, but has a lot artefacts (no dropped frames), starting 4.10 everything looks like every 3th frame are mismatched (still no dropped frames)!
As I said, trt 10.0 is "one to avoid" because it cuts performance by around 30% while possibly doubling GPU usage.
aloola wrote:has anyone tried the option builder_optimization_level=5?
The resulting engine may have better performance compared to an engine built with a lower optimization level.
They key phrase there is "may" have better performance. Yes I've tried this a couple of times. It's supposed to try to find more potential heuristics from what I understand but I didn't notice any real difference. But I can't remember if I have tried with my increased workspace so I might try again.
Olombo wrote:You do not miss that dropped framea with 60p then? No judder visible like this?
Nope. But YMMV.
Two bits of news. A while ago I said that increasing the frame rate can help with certain fast movement artefacts. Well initial testing suggests that since v4.15 lite is actually "lite", I'm now able to run SVP at 72fps and it is helping with certain specific types of fast movement artefacts. It's dropping exactly 12 frames a second which makes sense but the helpful effect is not being lost. I still need to do more testing but this looks promising.
Also, Tensorrt v10.0.0 is available. I couldn't believe how bad the benchmarks look but the notes confirm that this is definitely one to avoid.
oriento wrote:i'm seing artifacts in 4.15 lite that i don't see in 4.15
That's why I said:
Quality: Rife v4.15 > v4.15 lite > v4.16 lite.
abraxas wrote:4.16 lite is really good, my first tests show the same quality with action movies as 4.15v2 - but 50% better performance. I could go up from x2 (48fps) to x2,5 (60fps) on a 4070 (about 90% GPU) for (nearly) 4K movies.
Rife v4.15 lite has been released and I think it will become the new SVP standard. v4.15 lite handles fast motion artefacts much better than 4.16 lite and is very close to v4.15 but with much better performance
Quality: Rife v4.15 > v4.15 lite > v4.16 lite
GPU usage: Rife v4.15 > Rife 4.15 lite = Rife 4.16 lite
abraxas wrote:4.16 lite is really good, my first tests show the same quality with action movies as 4.15v2
For artefacts it may be a little better than 4.9 but it's definitely not the same as 4.15, not even close. But I have access to a large number of movies and over time I've worked out which ones stress the models. Also I'm watching on a big assed cinema sized screen 
So if you don't see any of the issues I and others can see with the "your" movies then it does not matter
aloola wrote:my point is 4.9 and 4.16 lite have the same performance but 4.16 lite has better quality. then there is no reason for people to use 4.9 even if live-action films are the same quality (no proof or testing yet)
I think your final point makes the most sense, so I did some testing using the same scenes I always test with. Quality wise they are very similar although 4.16 lite might have a slight edge. Rife 4.16 lite also uses about 2% less GPU resources than 4.9. So yeah it looks like 4.16 lite might be worth the upgrade
Rife 4.16 lite is available to download. But if you are already using 4.9 then don't bother because it's more or less the same.
Update: OK did a little bit of testing and it might be worth upgrading to Rife 4.16 lite. The quality is seems to be at least as good as Rife 4.9 while using a little less GPU.
scb wrote:I think that will be with earlier versions of RIFE (<=4.9); later versions just need more horsepower.
Yeah it's one of a number of things on the Rife pages that needs to be updated.
SHTH34D wrote:dawkinscm wrote:SHTH34D wrote:Windows 11/Chrome/NordVPN. I go to download the 4.15.7 7zip file and it does not allow me to. Interestingly, I just tried again and it allowed me to download it this time. No idea.
The default AV is Windows Defender which is not terrible, but also not great. But I think in your case you are using Edge browser which probably means it was being blocked by Microsoft SmartScreen which is cloud based.
Nah, not using Edge. I updated my chipset drivers and it worked. No idea. Doesn't matter. Any difference between Rife v2, normal, and ensemble?
v2 is easier on GPU. Don't bother with Ensemble.
SHTH34D wrote:dawkinscm wrote:SHTH34D wrote:Uhhh my virus software is saying this straight up has a trojan in it...
I've been downloading these file for months with not alerts and no one else is reporting this. Which AV are you using?
Windows 11/Chrome/NordVPN. I go to download the 4.15.7 7zip file and it does not allow me to. Interestingly, I just tried again and it allowed me to download it this time. No idea.
The default AV is Windows Defender which is not terrible, but also not great. But I think in your case you are using Edge browser which probably means it was being blocked by Microsoft SmartScreen which is cloud based.
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