1 Reply by Dude500

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Hi Jcyxxx, I've experienced this 'issue' too. Chainik I guess seems correct, but I'm not sure about the IGP either. The 4712HQ Intel IGP [or something?] sometimes seems to give me issues too. 850M Laptop>4k, no madVR, not powerful enough. Not to drive from backseat but Billinear MPC-HC-Output resizer is a good suggestion. That helped me a little bit when messing with MPC and resizing to 4k fullscreen, or at least a larger than before windowed playback.

I've found that mpv and vlc through the purchased version of SVP are smoother for me because if those have resizers they are tamer than MPC-HC's.
I'm going to wait to upgrade to an 8k-240hz SVP-MadVR machine. With a 1950X and a future processor you'd probably have enough. Consider trying others players through the purchased license of SVP while it's still on Black Friday offer this year. Again, mpv seems to have fixed the 'resizer-IGP' problem (I'm supposing resizing somehow administrates through the 4712HQ IGP). If Chainik has specific feedback on IGP resizing or other known issues I would appreciate a heads-up here if that's alright. : )

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2 Reply by Dude500

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Edited ^ for readability!! For no apparent reason/explanation I can now play 60fps.264 transcoded 4k files in MPV without any frame loss. 850M usage is exactly static between 49-51%.

So this Asus NX500 can do "everything" sans-except transcode to hevc, and interpolate 4k in real time on this quantum-dot film enhanced-color laptop, which is the only one [QDEF laptop-computer] of its kind. For $770 I am very happy and that is NO "deal breaker".. Because this aging, with lack of .265 decoder totl + Quantum Dot/Color Enhanced late-2014 model is going to be transcoding 4k60fps content often and interpolating 1440p VP9 both for rather heavy CPU usage, it would absolutely benefit from some liquid metal TIM.

Just transcode overnight and I can watch 60+fpsSVP 4k (and hopefully HDR>SDR -BT2020 gamut- in the near future if mpv's amenable to it)! That is about the best I could have hoped for for this laptop (with QDEF film) that lacks hevc decoders!

Thank you for adding the 24fps HDR>SDR tonemapper to the mpv build, again! It is EXCELLENT, for BT 2020 color gamut, which is truly wonderful! It certainly would be neat if the interpolated and/or transcoded playback also took advantage of this filter/tone mapper. Looking forward to whatever feedback there might be concerning implementing it; useful feature, hoping that it is a possibility alright.
Pretty much completely satisfied but MPV would be bloody awesome concerning future 8k>SDR and current HDR standards with 60fps HDR>SDR tonemapper. Of course not a dealbreaker but I already know that you guys know the tonemapper is definitely a good function.

The HDR>SDR tonemap functionality works stunningly well. It preserves part of the HDR effect for SDR displays and is impressive.
That BT2020 COLOR gamut is SO TASTY. In transcoded 60+fps/HDR>SDR tonemapper I think "I would die and go to heaven." 
BT2020 is just simply so divinely tasty.

In the future there should be wider subpixel color Primaries for cyan, a purple, a yellow, etc as well as RedGreenBlue.

   Is the MPV HDR>SDR tonemapping filter indeed mapped > to SDR BT2020? It might just be me and my NTSC color-gamut laptop (Asus NX500) so would like to know. The tone map filter looks great in Mary and The Witches Flower, Your Name, and Gundam 00 Wakening of the Trailblazer 4k HDR files.

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3 Reply by Dude500

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Well then, in any case. I appreciate the HDR to SDR filter. The BT2020 gamut is definitely there and it seems like some of the HDR contrast lighting effects are STILL visible as well [on my quantum-dot QDEF "SDR" display].. So in short It is lovely and done pleasingly - Downloaded/seed Mary and the Witches Flower https://nyaa.si/view/1060038 and the HDR>SDR tonemapping/BT2020 is just wonderful, even stunning in the first few minutes.

Only VLC plays the 60fps/4k .264 transcodes smoothly, for unknown reasons for .264 4k transcodes. There could be something wrong here. with the other players?
     The best I can do with my hardware (no hevc encoder or decoder850m/4712hq) is 1440p .265 hevc real time 60fps interpolation through mpv, which is a little better than I expected! 1440p bitrate is low enough to interpolate through .265CPU processing.

So I dunno what is wrong with 4k .264 transcodes either. Without decoders something is just capitulating, 'giving up,' refusing to even begin taking 4k cpu usage to 100% I guess.
60fps4k hevc is stuttering because CPU usage is already at 60 to 82% for hevc 24fps4k. Because 4k .264 transcodes are not working for me well, It would be nice/neat if there were an option in SVPCode to select resolution the file is transcoded to, -in my case 1440p- but I recognize 1440p probably isn't going to be necessary for most people.


...Digression
    Steps onto Soap box
I'm stingy about upgrading because this laptop (Asus NX500) was $770 for me and $2,550 when new, and it's the only laptop that has a Cadmium-(NanoSys-)Quantum-Dot enhanced display (4k)... I'm trying to hold the fort right here until 8k becomes more standard for a desktop. The speakers are also just the very best for a laptop.

Making my Cheapskates *Battle Plan* for MaDVr/SVP 240fps 8k.

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4 Reply by Dude500

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Dear developers, Updated the post ^ above. Thank you for your time! Please delete this "bump or ping" post.

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5 Reply by Dude500

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Tried renderer through regular EVR-non Custom Presenter with two 60fps4k(HDR)transcoded files that do seem to play ok at 60fps in VLC -my VLC 3.0 vaporsynth is UNCONVERTED FOR SVP's deinterlacing-option. I Still see stutter from MPC (and mpv), could it be that the transcoded files are 4k HDR files, or were .265 files to start before transcode to .264? Anything else to try getting transcoded (60fps .264) playing back in mpc or mpv smoothly?
   gpu usage does go way up to 60 or 70%, but I can't figure why they are not playingback smoothly in these players, especially mpv.

I want to say that I love the mpv(64 bit vers .29) tonemapper filter for 23fps HDR or real-time interpolated video when -my 850m/4712hq are not good enough to real-time interpolate4k.265HDR, without .265 decoders- played on SDR displays that is part of mpv's component build. Good!
Also, aside from smooth playback - MPV's HDR>SDR tonemapping filter is not applied in mpv to the 60fps transcoded stream. Can this be fixed in updates to come?

And please tell me if this is just my eyes,:
When SVPcoding .265 4kHDR content to .264/60fps, the resulting color seems even more washed out than the original .265 hi10HDR File (played back on an 8 bit SDR screen). Am I seeing things there?

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6 Reply by Dude500

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> Thanks! Guess there are no VLC usage statistics as well?

I can only play transcoded 4k files at 60fps through VLC for/at smooth playback. 4k-60fps-transcoded File playback chokes even In the 64 bit MPV-Component installation and 64bitmpc-hc. Does anyone have feedback for SVP 4k playback, including transcoded-60fps playback, possibly through different players?

      Wonder if SVPMark for 4k and eventual8k might be very handy for relative performance understanding at 8k 240hz of what gpu/cpus' can do when the time comes, and it is coming for 8k.
Perhaps SVPMark is not exactly first priority, but having relative performance understanding would likely be neat to have for relatively soon to be available 8k/240hz refresh rate standards.
I'm asking a lot, but this is just a suggestion!?

4k Playback issues with are with 850M and 4712HQ. VLC alone appears capable of playing the transcoded files back at 60fps. Anyone know why that is? Thanks again

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7 Reply by Dude500

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The SVP logo should appear to dillineate that the movie is apparantly being played back at 60fps, or your TV/monitor's refresh rate? Press CTRL-J in MPC-HC as a movie or file is being played for usage statistics. You should see in real time see how many frames are played back and which GPU is being used by MPC-HC. I could only get SVP Free to work with 32bit mpc-hc

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8 Reply by Dude500

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Did "compared with moving" mean mpv? Thanks Chainik for the heads up that vlc 3.0 works like 2.2 for less than technical newcomers.

Is there any way to use on-screen-usage statistics in VLC or MPV or SMplayer? Usage statistics are valuable!


Is SVPMark still a particularly useful tool or is it a bit peculiar? Is it eventually going to be updated for 4k, and eventually 8k interpolation, I'm thinking 240hz refresh rates will be a potential standard by that point? Could an update be helpful or is that not exactly necessary? I suppose that 8k should be around at reasonable cost in a few years at the most. Certainly not four and the Tokyo Olympics will be broadcast in 8k!
Thank you

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9 Reply by Dude500

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How do you permanently save Nvidia Profile-Nspector Optimus String deletion for media player classic, or vlc? So that 850m Optimus Strings won't reset when the laptop sleeps or is shut down?

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10 Reply by Dude500

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Indeed exciting, just purchased SVP!

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11 Reply by Dude500

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Trying up to about -55000 Voltage Offset. Inspector Voltage Offset still shows as +12.5mV or +6.3mV. The only thing I think that I can do to see if it is working is for example checking temp-cap: there is an 80C temp-cap in my laptop, setting temp target to 85 from 80 does not seem to work, and also still shows 80 in Inspector. Checking GPU-Z while running SVP doesn't look like the voltage offset is being carried either.
It seems an awful lot like the Voltage offset (and GPU temp cap) is being blocked by vBIOS hard-code.

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12 Reply by Dude500

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Nvidia Inspector. Create an overclockig shortcut and in it's properties change -setvoltageoffset to -#.

When I hit "Properties" of the created shortcut, I see in the "Target" box: "-setBaseClockOffset:0,0,135 -setMemoryClockOffset:0,0,0 -setVoltageOffset:0,0,12500 -setTempTarget:0,1,80." Does changing values in the shortcut Properties "Target" Box override the Nvidia Inspector 'Voltage-Offset' level, number-line?
     Also, the three numbers at "Target" Core/memory offset, etc are for P-states, is that correct?

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13 Reply by Dude500

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James D,
Is there knowledge of a program that modifies the 850M Voltage Control [reduction] for your laptop?

MSI Afterburner 3.0.0 and 4.5 are not allowing Voltage Control for the laptop 850m.
Thank you

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14 Reply by Dude500

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MAG79,
Thank you for suggestig DDU.
James D,
I am giving those drivers a try.
Chainik
Good to mention, I am in the "High Performance" plan.

I still get freezing when playing 1080p HEVC files under SVP (but not 720p HEVC/.265, I get 60FPS @ 200% Zoom for those) in 384.94 as well as 337.88. Looks owed to the lack of HW .265 decoders. Nothing to do with SVP or the drivers after all.

   Getting AWAY from HEVC now I'm simply throttling to 548mhz from 862 or nearly 1000 when overclocked without overvolting. At 548mhz I get about 35 FPS in Full-[4K]screen 1080p mkvs' and 45fps for 720p mkvs' scaled up to the 4k screen while rendering using Custom Presenter, (identical to 416.34, which I switched back to), gpu-Z indicates that I am thermally limited to 652, 684 or 719mhz, if not 548 megahertz, sometimes 405mhz. The CPU-GPU-shared heatsink is copper in the NX500 and there are two fans, so it's sad that I am throttling so badly. The copper pipe has a very short run to the fans.

I may try to add new TIM to the GPU and CPU but I doubt that would do much of anything.


If I play the 1080p .264 VIDEOS UP TO 200% Zoom or smaller than that when the GPU throttling gets so bad to 548mhz, on the 4k display I get 60fps,
If I go much larger than 200% zoom (fullscreen), I will thermally throttle and fall to 55, going even larger, to 45fps and then at 'full-screen' about 32-35fps when throttled at 548mhz.

So the GTX 850M if not throttling seems quite close to capable of maintaining 60fps 4k fullscreen (1080p .264). I'm hitting 489mhz now. The fans are not very loud in this laptop, but the throttling is obviously markedly unpleasant.
Thank you for the help!
I'm leaning towards purchasing to support the project. I think SVP works well enough for me (even on the 4k/850m laptop).

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15 Reply by Dude500

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Thanks MAG79
1. I'm using EVR Custom [and bilinear].
2. Reading through Afterburner not using SVP-interpolation I see CPU load between 3 to 16% at the very most. 

Also interesting, SVP only works when used with the PACKAGED-32bit MPC installation. I cannot get 64bitMPC to run SVP for frame interpolation.

I'm pleased though to say SVP DOES work for 720p at a solid 60fps, fullscreen, the very highest 720p GPU usage I have seen is 81% CPU Usage down in the teens, though the temps are high at about 80C, which is the thermal throttle point in my laptop. Tips for getting SVP to work with 64bit MPC to try getting 1080p content possibly working better on fullscreen 4k display.?

Suggestions excellent and appreciated.

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16 Reply by Dude500

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Hi, I have a 4712HQ and 850m. James D[Beta tester] method for 850m MPC-HC use worked for me, Thanks!

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