MakeN PotPlayer Guide - Not Dead Yet 2021 W.I.P. (Page 6 of 21)

Hi Maken, first, thanks a lot for this guide, image quality is amazing

I followed the exact steps you listed, I set madVR scaling settings to the max (8 taps and scale with linear light) but I have one little issue with the CPU usage.

When I'm playing 1080p contents, my CPU usage can go as high as 65%, GPU usage is usually around 30-40% which is fine since I enabled the highest settings, but CPU worries me a little.

This is my system:

i5 2500K @ 4.5GHz 1.35V
Zalman CNPS10X Extreme
MSI Z77A-GD65
2x4GB Corsair Vengeance Red DDR3-1600
EVGA GTX 680 Superclocked Signature 2
Seasonic X-650 Gold 80 Plus
Crucial Micron M4 128GB SSD
Western Digital 1TB Caviar Blue 7200RPM
Corsair Obsidian 650D
Windows 7 Ultimate x64

Can you please help me reduce CPU usage, without hurting the image quality? Maybe there's a setting I missed?

Thanks

Maken1 Wrote:
Hi Zachn , how are you?

High and more CPU usage than half of your CPU capabilities playing 1080p ( 1920x800 )/ fullHD 1080p ( 1920x1080 ) content + SVP or custom AviSynth scripts for smooth them all is NORMAL. This change depending of many factors, which Players with X settings you are using on it, what kind of codecs are installed, in use and configured, what kind of Hardware you have and it limits, what kind of file you are trying to playback and smooth and more. I hope with the upcoming update i can answer / help this kind of situations but high usage on 1080p content + smooth them all is NORMAL, remember more smooth and shaders you want to use on your fav 1080p content so more performance will cost and in special if you want highest / extreme enhanced image quality.

I see you have a powerful pc there ah? mine is still old but its ok coz it was helping me alot to rework and spot very good things to now give me good performance and 2x more smooth than before thanks to lastest SVP. Also new drivers, updated players and more help, thanks for your interesting on my Guide, just forget it, unistall and delete all, wait for my upcoming updated Guide because is much better ( for me at least  im more happy than before ) and it will be the best on PCs like your. I will answer all your questions all i can of course because my knowledge is limited but we have the SVP that will help me and you all as well with things that are beyong of my knowledge.

Sorry for the bad english, keep alert and coming to here again.

Maken1 wrote:

Greetings Zachn , good to see here again.

You said:" I've set madVR to the highest scaling options as said "
Ok this can be maxed for Powerful PC in especial GPUs but its not always necessary, i mean you will not do nothing or notice nothing if you cant notice the differencies when you set X value on them. If is that the case then the unnecessary high GPU usage will not worth and before try or keep X values on X Scaling options you first need to be sure that you understand and always keep in mid this:

-The CHROMA UPSCALING 'sharpness' or 'steps' setting can't be less than Luma Upscaling, and Luma Downscaling , this is my recommendation.
-The more Sharpness or Steps you use, the more Quality you get, BUT, MORE GPU CYCLES WILL BE USED, so make sure that your GPU is powerful enough to handle those high settings when combined with SVP. I recommend that you start with the values on the images at first, and later you can try more. Remember those higher settings will cost you more GPU performance.
-Scale in linear light on Luma Upscaling and Luma Downscaling will cost you a lot of GPU Performance so these settings are for powerful GPUS only.
-When using MadVR the video color settings from your video card drivers are not working, so if you want to use video color settings for your media you can set gamma with MadVR. You can set gamma,color and more with FFDSHOW without any problem, it will cost you some CPU usage depending of what settings and values you are trying to apply

as i said in my actual and work in progress Guide. This particulary will be more detailed while my Guide progressing more, of course basing of my understanding. This part is very important, any setting here will change the final possibilities you will have to use more things to take advantage of your GPU free resourses to enhanced much more the QUALITY with PotPlayer and SVP.

Again i say Yes, its normal to have half or more of your CPU and GPU usages when both are powerful enough when playing 1080p, in fact this is the true challenger that all PCs will face. If you find the way to obtain the best performance with heavy and high quality 1080p.. then everything and less than that will be nothing! for your PC  that means less power usage, less heat, less noise ( from your Fans if they are set to auto adjust speed depending of it components temperatures ) and to do more thing at same time.

You can starting to use my new Guide now, i was updating the main post with it, there is some images and settings that appear to be the same as the old guide but, there is new advises and concepts to fallowing.  You have new stuffs to try to keep you busy   , you have to post here how its going, your new discover or changes and more, it will help me in my work.

Thanks

Maken1 wrote:

Greetings Zachn , good to see here again.

You said:" I've set madVR to the highest scaling options as said "
Ok this can be maxed for Powerful PC in especial GPUs but its not always necessary, i mean you will not do nothing or notice nothing if you cant notice the differencies when you set X value on them. If is that the case then the unnecessary high GPU usage will not worth and before try or keep X values on X Scaling options you first need to be sure that you understand and always keep in mid this:

-The CHROMA UPSCALING 'sharpness' or 'steps' setting can't be less than Luma Upscaling, and Luma Downscaling , this is my recommendation.
-The more Sharpness or Steps you use, the more Quality you get, BUT, MORE GPU CYCLES WILL BE USED, so make sure that your GPU is powerful enough to handle those high settings when combined with SVP. I recommend that you start with the values on the images at first, and later you can try more. Remember those higher settings will cost you more GPU performance.
-Scale in linear light on Luma Upscaling and Luma Downscaling will cost you a lot of GPU Performance so these settings are for powerful GPUS only.
-When using MadVR the video color settings from your video card drivers are not working, so if you want to use video color settings for your media you can set gamma with MadVR. You can set gamma,color and more with FFDSHOW without any problem, it will cost you some CPU usage depending of what settings and values you are trying to apply

as i said in my actual and work in progress Guide. This particulary will be more detailed while my Guide progressing more, of course basing of my understanding. This part is very important, any setting here will change the final possibilities you will have to use more things to take advantage of your GPU free resourses to enhanced much more the QUALITY with PotPlayer and SVP.

Again i say Yes, its normal to have half or more of your CPU and GPU usages when both are powerful enough when playing 1080p, in fact this is the true challenger that all PCs will face. If you find the way to obtain the best performance with heavy and high quality 1080p.. then everything and less than that will be nothing! for your PC  that means less power usage, less heat, less noise ( from your Fans if they are set to auto adjust speed depending of it components temperatures ) and to do more thing at same time.

You can starting to use my new Guide now, i was updating the main post with it, there is some images and settings that appear to be the same as the old guide but, there is new advises and concepts to fallowing.  You have new stuffs to try to keep you busy   , you have to post here how its going, your new discover or changes and more, it will help me in my work.

Thanks

Great! Thanks

When do you expect to have the entire guide finished?

Use EVR Custom Present as Video Renderer + Lav Video Decoder as Video Decoder for less CPU usage at cost of more GPU usage and this last thing can be minimized some using Nvidias Cuda or DXVA2 only if your Video Card is powerful, if your Video Card is older and slower, IS NOT RECOMMENDED to use EVR CP. If you try EVR CP + SVP high settings + older and slower Video Cards the results will be horrible, unplayable and annoying as hell. Are we clear about this?

Hi Maken,

I tried your new guide, and I've followed your Case 1 scenario:

Use EVR Custom Present as Video Renderer + Lav Video Decoder as Video Decoder for less CPU usage at cost of more GPU usage and this last thing can be minimized some using Nvidias Cuda or DXVA2 only if your Video Card is powerful, if your Video Card is older and slower, IS NOT RECOMMENDED to use EVR CP. If you try EVR CP + SVP high settings + older and slower Video Cards the results will be horrible, unplayable and annoying as hell. Are we clear about this?

So I'm using EVR Custom Present with LAV as a Video Decoder but I actually got the reverse result.

Instead of having lower CPU usage at the cost of higher GPU usage, I now have high CPU usage of 50-60% and my GPU usage has reduced to 25% max.
When I'm using madVR with 4-8 taps in upscaling and linear light enabled, my GPU usage hits around 40% and I think that the image quality is a bit better.

I also tried using PotPlayer's internal decoders with EVR but the result was the same. It seems like for me the best option is to use madVR for best GPU usage, but I can't seem to reduce CPU usage.

Also, should I use Haali Media Splitter instead of LAV? I'm not sure what to do...

Right now, I deleted everything, cleared Registry with CCleaner and I'm waiting for your reply to start again from the beginning.

Thanks

Zachn wrote:

Hi Maken,

I tried your new guide, and I've followed your Case 1 scenario:

Use EVR Custom Present as Video Renderer + Lav Video Decoder as Video Decoder for less CPU usage at cost of more GPU usage and this last thing can be minimized some using Nvidias Cuda or DXVA2 only if your Video Card is powerful, if your Video Card is older and slower, IS NOT RECOMMENDED to use EVR CP. If you try EVR CP + SVP high settings + older and slower Video Cards the results will be horrible, unplayable and annoying as hell. Are we clear about this?

So I'm using EVR Custom Present with LAV as a Video Decoder but I actually got the reverse result.

Instead of having lower CPU usage at the cost of higher GPU usage, I now have high CPU usage of 50-60% and my GPU usage has reduced to 25% max.
When I'm using madVR with 4-8 taps in upscaling and linear light enabled, my GPU usage hits around 40% and I think that the image quality is a bit better.

I also tried using PotPlayer's internal decoders with EVR but the result was the same. It seems like for me the best option is to use madVR for best GPU usage, but I can't seem to reduce CPU usage.

Also, should I use Haali Media Splitter instead of LAV? I'm not sure what to do...

Right now, I deleted everything, cleared Registry with CCleaner and I'm waiting for your reply to start again from the beginning.

Thanks

Zachn i see something is happening that maybe you dont know yet, i have an idea but i need your help with something as well ok?

First lets only concentrate about PotPlayers configuration and later we use SVP ok? We need to see how the configurations work for you then i need you to try this:

1- From Installations section, do steps 1, 2, 3, 4 and 6 ( skip 5 for now ).
2- From PotPlayer configurations section, do steps 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6 only.
3- Set EVR Custom Present as Video Renderer.
4- From VIDEO DECODERS section > Case 2 > do steps 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5
5- From AUDIO section, you know what to do.
6- Again Playback any FullHD 1080p or 720p video or movie you have for a moment and make sure to see how much performance and low cpu usage you have. It can be any Clip from Trailers or Movies in mkv or any AVCHD. At this point check now your CPU usage without SVP with the files you was trying to play or when you CPU was arround 50 / 60% that bother you . If you can try to take screenshot(s) of your CPU usage and post here to see it better also if you can to provide me the specs of the file you are trying to play it would be good.

Because i dont know what settings are you using on your SVPs custom profiles if is the case you are or if you dont have any custom profiles then i need to know which Profile SVP use for that file(s) you was trying to play, that settings could be high settings because your CPU power. Lets skip SVP for now until you get high performance on PotPlayer first, then in that way we make sure that PotPlayer is not totaly the problem ( the problem that bothers you about your 50/60% CPU usage ). Id posted some basic steps to configure and start to play with SVP and you can find it on the first page - 3rd post, check it out as well.