1 Topic by ckychris (edited by ckychris 10-03-2017 08:40:41)

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Topic: Ryzen Megathread

Will the Ryzen 8 cores 16 threads CPU perform as well as the 6900k? Let's find out together.
The Ryzen CPU has reduced shutter in gaming tests compared to the 7700k. I wish to see if MPCHC will provide a more smooth, stable experience.
The ryzen 1700 is currently @$329USD, overclocking with a $99 board, it's comparable to a 6900k. I expect the 1700 can handle heavy workload such as 4K 24->60fps playback.

Here is my upgraded build
CPU - Ryzen 1700@3.8ghz CPU
Motherboard - GA-AB350-GAMING 3    (rev. 1.0)
Ram - 2x8GB/2400/Cas15
Cooler - stock [212 Evo when bracket arrive]
GPU - Gtx 1070 Gaming G1
Monitor - D2414H 1080p, Nvidia custom res up to 1440p testing(it won't work with 4K . If anyone knows how can I achieve that it will be great)

TODO

Overclock stability test
Svpmark 3
Mkv, Mp4, Flv playback
SVP 4 settings
SVP 4 custom parameter
Any test on request including performance and custom settings

Filters
Lav filters
ffshow
SVP4
Madvr

Overclock stability test
1.225v 3700ghz stable for prime 95 ~70C stock cooler
Svpmark 3 results
Test summary - Quick test, will comeback later after I clean up the desk.
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  Date: 2017-03-10T19:15:04
  CPU:  AMD Ryzen 7 1700 Eight-Core @3692 MHz [16 threads]
  GPU:  NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 [ver.378.72]
  Mode: FHD + GPU [33 threads]

Overall scores
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  Synthetic CPU:                  MC4631
  Synthetic GPU:                  MG9622
  Real-life:                      FG4220

Details: synthetic
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  CPU: compose (single-threaded): 733
  CPU: compose (multi-threaded):  4465
  CPU: search (single-threaded):  133
  CPU: search (multi-threaded):   4811
  GPU: system -> GPU transfer:    1507
  GPU: GPU -> system transfer:    1270
  GPU: calculations:              5765
  GPU: total score:               8154

Details: real-life /FHD
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  decode video:                   14.17x (340.0 fps)
  48 fps - vectors search:        2.91x (139.6 fps)
  60 fps - frame composition:     5.11x (306.9 fps)
  48 fps - [SVP] fastest:         7.55x (362.2 fps)
  48 fps - [SVP] simple 1:        6.26x (300.3 fps)
  60 fps - [SVP] good:            3.89x (233.3 fps)
  60 fps - [SVP] high:            3.52x (211.1 fps)
  60 fps - [SVP] highest:         1.70x (102.1 fps)
  72 fps - [SVP] simple 2:        5.14x (370.4 fps)

Mkv, Mp4, Flv playback jitter/smoothness
All very smooth. Detailed tests later.
SVP 4 settings
All maximum @1080p. 4K never worked even for low.
SVP 4 custom parameter FPS

Reference

Intel Xeon E3-1230 V2 OLD BUILD
720P30/24F->1080P60F Highest minor jitter
1080P30/24F->1080P60F Highest minor jitter
1080P30/24F->4K60F Highest MHCPC crashed
1080P30/24F->4K60F Low 80% on 4 threads, 40% on the other
4K29F->4K60F 50000kbps without Madvr - CPU 100%, massive shutter
4K30F->4K60F LG_4K_View-the-Feeling without Madvr - SVP crashed

Test summary
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  Date: 2017-03-06T00:24:06
  CPU:  Intel Xeon E3-1230 V2 @3299 MHz [8 threads]
  GPU:  NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 [ver.378.72]
  Mode: FHD + GPU [8 threads]

Overall scores
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  Synthetic CPU:                  MC2136
  Synthetic GPU:                  MG3868
  Real-life:                      FG2379

Details: synthetic
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  CPU: compose (single-threaded): 580
  CPU: compose (multi-threaded):  2386
  CPU: search (single-threaded):  469
  CPU: search (multi-threaded):   1934
  GPU: system -> GPU transfer:    1679
  GPU: GPU -> system transfer:    1702
  GPU: calculations:              5100
  GPU: total score:               9786

Details: real-life /FHD
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  decode video:                   16.17x (388.0 fps)
  48 fps - vectors search:        1.26x (60.3 fps)
  60 fps - frame composition:     3.54x (212.4 fps)
  48 fps - [SVP] fastest:         7.07x (339.5 fps)
  48 fps - [SVP] simple 1:        4.52x (216.9 fps)
  60 fps - [SVP] good:            1.95x (117.2 fps)
  60 fps - [SVP] high:            1.36x (81.9 fps)
  60 fps - [SVP] highest:         0.60x (36.2 fps)
  72 fps - [SVP] simple 2:        3.54x (254.8 fps)

Re: Ryzen Megathread

Many reviewers complaining about low performance caused by beta/non-final UEFIs.
Especially for ASUS boards.

I'll better wait for a few weeks wink

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Ram - 2x8GB/2400/Cas15

Ryzen likes 3200 memory

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... compared to the 7700k. I wish to see if MPCHC will provide a more smooth, stable experience.

only in 4K (or for something like 1080p @4:4:4 10-bit HEVC)

3 Reply by brucethemoose (edited by brucethemoose 06-03-2017 06:52:45)

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Re: Ryzen Megathread

A high-refresh monitor with a small block size setting will easily kill a 7700k at 1080p.

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http://i91.fastpic.ru/big/2017/0305/bd/a66d6b97dfe8686f949d8d8b858312bd.jpg

Re: Ryzen Megathread

... however it supports DDR4-3200 on base BCLK ("bus speed") value and up to 3600 with oc'd BCLK
even through AMD's Windows monitoring and tuning tool

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Chainik wrote:

... however it supports DDR4-3200 on base BCLK ("bus speed") value and up to 3600 with oc'd BCLK
even through AMD's Windows monitoring and tuning tool

I will see if there is a difference for higher speed Ram.

For the motherboard, I am still deciding since PCCG has pushed the arrival day a week back. I have cancelled the order and purchased 1700 today. Currently sitting on my desk.

Since everybody warned against Asus. I am now considering gigabyte or MSI.

Re: Ryzen Megathread

wait, i don't understand your summary result.
why it showed intel xeon instead of ryzen?
how was your personal experience? is it good to jump?
i was thinking to change my current i7 skylake to ryzen ship soon.

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adamjanin wrote:

wait, i don't understand your summary result.
why it showed intel xeon instead of ryzen?
how was your personal experience? is it good to jump?
i was thinking to change my current i7 skylake to ryzen ship soon.

My personal experience with Xeon is good. Loads are 25%(720p) to 80%(1080p) 60fps. There is micro jitters and sometimes shutters between scenes. My xeon build cannot handle 1440p nor 4k nor 144fps monitors.

I still don't have the motherboard yet so I can't say if it's a good jump. But a 270% performance comparison should be better than good. I hope to get rid of micro jitters and be more stable when jumping frames.

I wouldn't suggest you switch from an i7 skylake unless you have one of the 4k or 144fps monitors. Since i7 skylake is more than capable. Zen 2 should have improvement to clock speed since Zen is a brand new architecture.

9 Reply by James D (edited by James D 06-03-2017 17:05:18)

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Re: Ryzen Megathread

Well, here is a summary of Ryzen:
- R7 1700 is the best bang for the buck 8-Core Multi-Work CPU (if plan OCing).
- As a Gaming CPU 8-Core Ryzen sucks but 6-Core should be the best bang for the buck with future-proof (229$ version)
- Ryzen suffers in multi memory access scenarios with much memory allocation because 8-Core consists of two 4-Core blocks which share 8MB L3 cache each. And the connection between these 8MB cache parts is real slow and becomes bottleneck in those scenarios.
- Windows and motherboard vendors still need fix Ryzen compatibility support (BIOS, core scheduler, RAM support etc).

TLDR: Should anyone "upgrade" from i7 to Ryzen for games only? Absolutely not! No way! Seriously... DON'T! But if you are a creator or have old i3/Phenom/1st Gen I-Core then yeah, just pick proper Ryzen for your needs.

10 Reply by Blackfyre (edited by Blackfyre 06-03-2017 18:31:09)

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James D wrote:

As a Gaming CPU 8-Core Ryzen sucks but 6-Core should be the best bang for the buck with future-proof (229$ version)

I recommend you watch this review. This is very important and all the points being raised are significant. It's a myth that Ryzen is and will be bad for gaming, especially in the future, performance will only increase..

https://youtu.be/ylvdSnEbL50

11 Reply by James D (edited by James D 06-03-2017 23:38:33)

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Blackfyre wrote:

I recommend you watch this review. This is very important and all the points being raised are significant. It's a myth that Ryzen is and will be bad for gaming, especially in the future, performance will only increase..

No, it's current reality. And if you want to speak about possible future then remember that all current games aside maybe few of most current and/or online ones will not have their code rebuilt when even 5 years old i5 works fine with them. Your possible future comes in 1-2 years for newest games.
AMD Ryzen 7 1700 vs a 5 year old gaming pc or why you should never preorder
Heck, even your link says you are wrong. You can wait this time buying bleeding-new CPU... or buy newer Ryzen+ or Coffee Lake when time comes if you need a gaming CPU only.

Ryzen is a monster in apps and will be a gaming monster too.

Re: Ryzen Megathread

the fact that hyper-pentium oc'd to 5 GHz is faster than Ryzen in some games doesn't make Ryzen any slower wink

"if you need gaming CPU only" - buy PS4

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heck, you can't overclock hyper-pentium big_smile ok, i3-7350k...

13 Reply by brucethemoose (edited by brucethemoose 07-03-2017 12:41:20)

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Ryzen can't OC much itself.

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3.0 -> 3.8 @1.2V on all 8 cores sounds good enough for me

http://oc.jagatreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/BinResults-500x237.jpg

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Looks like your CPU have some thermal issue, in my experience E3-1230 v2 is just capable of processing 4K video, with CPU utilization around 70%.
This is my test result.

Details: real-life /FHD
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  decode video:                   16.18x (388.3 fps)
  48 fps - vectors search:        1.39x (66.5 fps)
  60 fps - frame composition:     3.85x (230.7 fps)
  48 fps - [SVP] fastest:         6.64x (318.7 fps)
  48 fps - [SVP] simple 1:        4.40x (211.1 fps)
  60 fps - [SVP] good:            2.40x (144.2 fps)
  60 fps - [SVP] high:            1.89x (113.4 fps)
  60 fps - [SVP] highest:         0.85x (51.2 fps)
  72 fps - [SVP] simple 2:        4.30x (309.7 fps)

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Re: Ryzen Megathread

river wrote:

Looks like your CPU have some thermal issue, in my experience E3-1230 v2 is just capable of processing 4K video, with CPU utilization around 70%.
This is my test result.

Details: real-life /FHD
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  decode video:                   16.18x (388.3 fps)
  48 fps - vectors search:        1.39x (66.5 fps)
  60 fps - frame composition:     3.85x (230.7 fps)
  48 fps - [SVP] fastest:         6.64x (318.7 fps)
  48 fps - [SVP] simple 1:        4.40x (211.1 fps)
  60 fps - [SVP] good:            2.40x (144.2 fps)
  60 fps - [SVP] high:            1.89x (113.4 fps)
  60 fps - [SVP] highest:         0.85x (51.2 fps)
  72 fps - [SVP] simple 2:        4.30x (309.7 fps)

I think it's my mobo and cheap ram cause issues. Maybe it's the player, filters, settings, rendener etc...
I will see how it goes with a fresh installed system.

17 Reply by brucethemoose (edited by brucethemoose 07-03-2017 23:24:13)

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Chainik wrote:

3.0 -> 3.8 @1.2V on all 8 cores sounds good enough for me

http://oc.jagatreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/BinResults-500x237.jpg

It already boosts to 3.7 though. And I think those are good chips, as SiliconLottery's 3.8ghz bin has a guaranteed voltage of 1.376V:

https://siliconlottery.com/collections/ … s/1700a38g


The 1700 isn't bad though, no... But the rest are clocked very close to their voltage wall, kinda like the 7700k and the later Phenom IIs.

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Chainik wrote:

"if you need gaming CPU only" - buy PS4

Or buy expensive TV if you need fluid motion hmm

Re: Ryzen Megathread

brucethemoose

> It already boosts to 3.7 though

2 cores @3.7 are not equal to 8 cores @3.8 wink


James D

> Or buy expensive TV if you need fluid motion

probably yes big_smile

PS4 vs. i7  =  USD 400 vs. 300
"good TV" vs. SVP  =  USD 2000 vs. 15

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"good TV" vs. SVP...+ Ryzen for 4K + good 4K Monitor + motherboard...

Anyways, for gaming older i7 is totally enough and probably will be for years.

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My mobo got signed by someone not working at the post office. I was sending it to the post office. Now the delivery company claims their driver has delivered it to the post office and it's not.

sigh.

Re: Ryzen Megathread

for gaming older i7 is totally enough and probably will be for years

yeah, and so Ryzen is...

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ckychris wrote:

My mobo got signed by someone not working at the post office. I was sending it to the post office. Now the delivery company claims their driver has delivered it to the post office and it's not.

sigh.

what a day. sorry to hear that

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adamjanin wrote:
ckychris wrote:

My mobo got signed by someone not working at the post office. I was sending it to the post office. Now the delivery company claims their driver has delivered it to the post office and it's not.

sigh.

what a day. sorry to hear that

Yeah, they just found my package. So benchmarks are coming in today.

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Looks like SVP scales very well. I can see 1700@3.7ghz is > 200% performance compared to my old 1230v2