2,076 Reply by RickyAstle98 (edited by RickyAstle98 31-10-2024 06:26:49)

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Grinchy wrote:

Someone else with some kind of micro lags since the newest nvidia Driver Update? (4090 @ 4.15)

It feeled much smoother before the update.

For me (4070) the models from 4.11 to 4.25 looks choppy sometimes, I updated drivers and nothing happens, 4.15 has tendency to move frame forward and backwards for background objects, which makes the video not smooth, but 4.15 is awesome for action movies!

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There's new versions of 4.25lite and heavy uploaded a few hours ago.

2,078 Reply by Blackfyre (edited by Blackfyre 31-10-2024 15:36:58)

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Drakko01 wrote:

Quick fix change the name of the model like 4.30 build engine run and create a new, testing...

This worked with the two new released Heavy & Lite versions that just came out. Renaming them to 4.30.

Having said that, artefact masking is not as good as the original 4.25 that was released as a beta.

I am glad that was released as a beta, because that older one still remains the best quality version IMO and better than 4.18 too.

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Blackfyre wrote:

Having said that, artefact masking is not as good as the original 4.25 that was released as a beta.

I am glad that was released as a beta, because that older one still remains the best quality version IMO and better than 4.18 too.

Exactly right, it kinda like the new 4.25_heavy, but reintroduce some artifacts the most models has for especific scene that 4.25 was fixed already, I hope see a combination of the two in the next model

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Drakko01 wrote:
Blackfyre wrote:

Having said that, artefact masking is not as good as the original 4.25 that was released as a beta.

I am glad that was released as a beta, because that older one still remains the best quality version IMO and better than 4.18 too.

Exactly right, it kinda like the new 4.25_heavy, but reintroduce some artifacts the most models has for especific scene that 4.25 was fixed already, I hope see a combination of the two in the next model

Have you guys tried the new 4.25_heavy with SC disabled?

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Drakko01 wrote:
Blackfyre wrote:

Having said that, artefact masking is not as good as the original 4.25 that was released as a beta.

I am glad that was released as a beta, because that older one still remains the best quality version IMO and better than 4.18 too.

Exactly right, it kinda like the new 4.25_heavy, but reintroduce some artifacts the most models has for especific scene that 4.25 was fixed already, I hope see a combination of the two in the next model

Are you seeing any difference between the old v4.25_heavy and the new smaller one? Have you guys tried the new 4.25_heavy with SC disabled?

2,082 Reply by RickyAstle98 (edited by RickyAstle98 03-11-2024 11:08:44)

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dawkinscm wrote:
Drakko01 wrote:
Blackfyre wrote:

Having said that, artefact masking is not as good as the original 4.25 that was released as a beta.

I am glad that was released as a beta, because that older one still remains the best quality version IMO and better than 4.18 too.

Exactly right, it kinda like the new 4.25_heavy, but reintroduce some artifacts the most models has for especific scene that 4.25 was fixed already, I hope see a combination of the two in the next model

Are you seeing any difference between the old v4.25_heavy and the new smaller one? Have you guys tried the new 4.25_heavy with SC disabled?

The 4.25 lite (new) worse than most older models!
Performance? Can do 7x from HD source (24>168/720p)
Smoothness? Smoother than 4.15 model, but choppy sometimes!
Artefacts? A lot! Very noticeable difference against heavy!
The SC disabled!
RTX 4070

The QUALITY models
4.9/4.10/4.12/4.15/4.15l/4.18

The SMOOTH models
4.4/4.5/4.6/4.7/4.8/4.9/4.10/4.25h

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RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:
Drakko01 wrote:

Exactly right, it kinda like the new 4.25_heavy, but reintroduce some artifacts the most models has for especific scene that 4.25 was fixed already, I hope see a combination of the two in the next model

Are you seeing any difference between the old v4.25_heavy and the new smaller one? Have you guys tried the new 4.25_heavy with SC disabled?

The 4.25 lite (new) worse than most older models!
Performance? Can do 7x from HD source (24>168/720p)
Smoothness? Smoother than 4.15 model, but choppy sometimes!
Artefacts? A lot! Very noticeable difference against heavy!
The SC disabled!
RTX 4070

The QUALITY models
4.9/4.10/4.12/4.15/4.15l/4.18

The SMOOTH models
4.4/4.5/4.6/4.7/4.8/4.9/4.10/4.25h

What about 4.25h 100MB vs 4.25h 80MB?

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dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

Are you seeing any difference between the old v4.25_heavy and the new smaller one? Have you guys tried the new 4.25_heavy with SC disabled?

The 4.25 lite (new) worse than most older models!
Performance? Can do 7x from HD source (24>168/720p)
Smoothness? Smoother than 4.15 model, but choppy sometimes!
Artefacts? A lot! Very noticeable difference against heavy!
The SC disabled!
RTX 4070

The QUALITY models
4.9/4.10/4.12/4.15/4.15l/4.18

The SMOOTH models
4.4/4.5/4.6/4.7/4.8/4.9/4.10/4.25h

What about 4.25h 100MB vs 4.25h 80MB?

I dont think theres the difference, downloaded since release, thats was 76 mb model!

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dawkinscm wrote:
Drakko01 wrote:
Blackfyre wrote:

Having said that, artefact masking is not as good as the original 4.25 that was released as a beta.

I am glad that was released as a beta, because that older one still remains the best quality version IMO and better than 4.18 too.

Exactly right, it kinda like the new 4.25_heavy, but reintroduce some artifacts the most models has for especific scene that 4.25 was fixed already, I hope see a combination of the two in the next model

Are you seeing any difference between the old v4.25_heavy and the new smaller one? Have you guys tried the new 4.25_heavy with SC disabled?

I only have the smaller 4.25?heavy 82.6MB, glad to look into the differences of the old  4.25h if you provide a link for download the file.

I like very much the smoothness of heavy version, most of the time , but with miss the interpolation in some scene at the point that can't used instead of 4.25. If this " errors" where fix maintaining the overall smoothness or fine a way to eliminate/minimize  I will be glad to use 4.25h as main.

I give you three examples that what i'm saying for you to test. Comments are appreciated.

Avengers at 1:53:23 after Hulk jumps of the 3° building

Avengers Endgame at 2:19:12 after Drax stab Cull Obsidian , and Pepper(Rescue Armor) fly across the screen

Spiderman No way home at 38:00 when spiderman drop hanging of the bridge after the car fell. And 38:20 after Doc OP take the nanotech and camera pans 360 around him.

Am not saying that 4.25 make this scenes perfect, but managed in a way much less disrupted.

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Drakko01 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:
Drakko01 wrote:

Exactly right, it kinda like the new 4.25_heavy, but reintroduce some artifacts the most models has for especific scene that 4.25 was fixed already, I hope see a combination of the two in the next model

Are you seeing any difference between the old v4.25_heavy and the new smaller one? Have you guys tried the new 4.25_heavy with SC disabled?

I only have the smaller 4.25?heavy 82.6MB, glad to look into the differences of the old  4.25h if you provide a link for download the file.

I like very much the smoothness of heavy version, most of the time , but with miss the interpolation in some scene at the point that can't used instead of 4.25. If this " errors" where fix maintaining the overall smoothness or fine a way to eliminate/minimize  I will be glad to use 4.25h as main.

I give you three examples that what i'm saying for you to test. Comments are appreciated.

Avengers at 1:53:23 after Hulk jumps of the 3° building

Avengers Endgame at 2:19:12 after Drax stab Cull Obsidian , and Pepper(Rescue Armor) fly across the screen

Spiderman No way home at 38:00 when spiderman drop hanging of the bridge after the car fell. And 38:20 after Doc OP take the nanotech and camera pans 360 around him.

Am not saying that 4.25 make this scenes perfect, but managed in a way much less disrupted.

Doesn't matter now plus the link no longer exists.

2,087 Reply by narkohol (edited by narkohol 04-11-2024 13:13:37)

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I don't know why, but after trying a crap ton of different options and combinations I can’t get SVP RIFE to do smooth 60fps playback.
There are always some microstutters/hitching and Dropped/Skipped/Delayed frames when I use SVP with RIFE, even with low CPU and GPU % usages (I'm using scaling to QHD 1440p and black bars on a RTX4080 and Ryzen 5950x).
If I disable SVP there are no Dropped/Skipped/Delayed frames or stutters/hitching.

I tried MPV, PotPlayer, MPC-BE, VLC with all available video renderers and video decoders in each one, and  the same happens in all of them.

All that I tried in detail here: https://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=85781

TL;DR Can any of you play this file ( 30 seconds long dolly from Unbelievable 2160p DV HDR ) at 60fps perfectly fine with no Dropped/Skipped/Delayed frames and no visible hitches/stutters?

2,088 Reply by RickyAstle98 (edited by RickyAstle98 04-11-2024 14:13:52)

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narkohol wrote:

I don't know why, but after trying a crap ton of different options and combinations I can’t get SVP RIFE to do smooth 60fps playback.
There are always some microstutters/hitching and Dropped/Skipped/Delayed frames when I use SVP with RIFE, even with low CPU and GPU % usages (I'm using scaling to QHD 1440p and black bars on a RTX4080 and Ryzen 5950x).
If I disable SVP there are no Dropped/Skipped/Delayed frames or stutters/hitching.

I tried MPV, PotPlayer, MPC-BE, VLC with all available video renderers and video decoders in each one, and  the same happens in all of them.

All that I tried in detail here: https://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=85781

TL;DR Can any of you play this file ( 30 seconds long dolly from Unbelievable 2160p DV HDR ) at 60fps perfectly fine with no Dropped/Skipped/Delayed frames and no visible hitches/stutters?

One more thing, the video has some bad frames, trees sequence, with/without RIFE and with/without GSync with/without 60Hz mode and with/without scaling methods!
The skip/delay/mismatch frames happens from scaling methods also (when you downscaling/upscaling the source footage)!
I have smooth 60FPS playback!

2,089 Reply by narkohol (edited by narkohol 04-11-2024 15:32:39)

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RickyAstle98 wrote:

One more thing, the video has some bad frames, trees sequence, with/without RIFE and with/without GSync with/without 60Hz mode and with/without scaling methods!
The skip/delay/mismatch frames happens from scaling methods also (when you downscaling/upscaling the source footage)!

It plays smooth with DmitriRender... 
Even at 4K 120fps

https://i.postimg.cc/vmGW60pS/image.png

RickyAstle98 wrote:

I have smooth 60FPS playback!

With which SVP settings and which player/video decoder and video renderer settings?

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narkohol wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:

One more thing, the video has some bad frames, trees sequence, with/without RIFE and with/without GSync with/without 60Hz mode and with/without scaling methods!
The skip/delay/mismatch frames happens from scaling methods also (when you downscaling/upscaling the source footage)!

It plays smooth with DmitriRender... 

RickyAstle98 wrote:

I have smooth 60FPS playback!

With which SVP settings and which player/video decoder and video renderer settings?

Default SVP settings and RIFE engine, mpv player...

2,091 Reply by narkohol (edited by narkohol 04-11-2024 16:15:35)

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RickyAstle98 wrote:

I have smooth 60FPS playback!

Default SVP settings and RIFE engine, mpv player...

You mean 'default' with no scaling at all and no special settings in MPV??

MPV doesn't count Dropped frames properly. Even when you have a stutter fest playback it always says 'Dropped Frames: 0 (decoder) 0 (output)'

I had to use   --hr-seek-framedrop=no --framedrop=no --video-sync=display-tempo    to display 'Delayed' frames, and then:

https://i.postimg.cc/T3QwR216/image.png

2,092 Reply by RickyAstle98 (edited by RickyAstle98 04-11-2024 16:37:32)

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narkohol wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:

I have smooth 60FPS playback!

Default SVP settings and RIFE engine, mpv player...

You mean 'default' with no scaling at all and no special settings in MPV??

MPV doesn't count Dropped frames properly. Even when you have a stutter fest playback it always says "0"

I had to use --hr-seek-framedrop=no --framedrop=no --video-sync=display-tempo  to display 'Delayed frames', and then:

https://i.postimg.cc/T3QwR216/image.png

I dont need display-tempo/dislay-resample at all, GSync monitor, just did same test and see no delayed/mismatched or even dropped frames, perhaps thats hardware issue, not MPV related, I can clearly state that because my friends has 4070/4080s and have different behavior with RIFE engine with exactly the same settings, so thats impractical, OSD counts bad, see drops by my own, there was none!

2,093 Reply by RickyAstle98 (edited by RickyAstle98 04-11-2024 16:38:46)

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narkohol wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:

I have smooth 60FPS playback!

Default SVP settings and RIFE engine, mpv player...

You mean 'default' with no scaling at all and no special settings in MPV??

MPV doesn't count Dropped frames properly. Even when you have a stutter fest playback it always says 'Dropped Frames: 0 (decoder) 0 (output)'

I had to use   --hr-seek-framedrop=no --framedrop=no --video-sync=display-tempo    to display 'Delayed' frames, and then:

https://i.postimg.cc/T3QwR216/image.png

https://i.ibb.co.com/jfNYT8S/2024-11-04-212432580.png

Only 2 delayed frames for 24 seconds with VSync jitter always sit under 0.200 (59.94Hz display mode / GSync off)
Only 5 delayed frames for 24 seconds with VSync jitter always sit under 0.320 (60Hz display mode / GSync off)

2,094 Reply by narkohol (edited by narkohol 04-11-2024 16:48:53)

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RickyAstle98 wrote:

Only 2 delayed frames for 24 seconds with VSync jitter always sit under 0.200 (59.940Hz display mode / GSync off)
Only 5 delayed frames for 24 seconds with VSync jitter always sit under 0.320 (60Hz display mode / GSync off)

Ahhh...   now I see what it's happening here.

https://i.postimg.cc/MpRK7xy9/image.png

I am talking about 1440p output. 720p or 1080p are also fine here. This was with Model 4.22_lite v2, I think:

https://i.postimg.cc/T3r5VcpR/image.png

but 1440p:
https://i.postimg.cc/CK7ZtLGX/image.png

So, nowhere near maxing the GPU % usage, but very noticeable stuttering/hitching/dropped/delayed frames.


This is with Model 4.6, much lower GPU % usage, not even 50%, but still a lot of stuttering/hitching/dropped/delayed frames:
https://i.postimg.cc/T3QwR216/image.png

I don't get why it doesn't work smoothly for 1440p, when it's not using even 50% of the GPU.
And going back to 1080p resolution in 2024 is just too big of a sacrifice. The trade-off of resolution/smoothness at 1080p doesn't pay off...

2,095 Reply by RickyAstle98 (edited by RickyAstle98 04-11-2024 16:59:35)

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narkohol wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:

Only 2 delayed frames for 24 seconds with VSync jitter always sit under 0.200 (59.940Hz display mode / GSync off)
Only 5 delayed frames for 24 seconds with VSync jitter always sit under 0.320 (60Hz display mode / GSync off)

Ahhh...   now I see what it's happening here.

https://i.postimg.cc/MpRK7xy9/image.png

I am talking about 1440p output. 720p or 1080p are also fine here. This was with Model 4.22_lite v2, I think:

https://i.postimg.cc/T3r5VcpR/image.png

but 1440p:
https://i.postimg.cc/CK7ZtLGX/image.png

So, nowhere near maxing the GPU % usage, but very noticeable stuttering/hitching/dropped/delayed frames.


This is with Model 4.6, much lower GPU % usage, not even 50%, but still a lot of stuttering/hitching/dropped/delayed frames:
https://i.postimg.cc/T3QwR216/image.png

I don't get why it doesn't work smoothly for 1440p, when it's not using even 50% of the GPU.
And going back to 1080p resolution in 2024 is just too big of a sacrifice. The trade-off of resolution/smoothness at 1080p doesn't pay off...

Something weird happens, did 1080p test now, 6 delayed frames, then tried 1440p test, got 16 delayed frames!
Man, I used 4.25 heavy, thats model twice heavier than 4.6 (by performance)!

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RickyAstle98 wrote:

Something weird happens, did 1080p test now, 6 delayed frames, then tried 1440p test, got 16 delayed frames!
Man, I used 4.25 heavy, thats model twice heavier than 4.6 (by performance)!

What's your GPU model? Nvidia drivers version and Windows version?

2,097 Reply by RickyAstle98 (edited by RickyAstle98 04-11-2024 19:25:38)

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narkohol wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:

Something weird happens, did 1080p test now, 6 delayed frames, then tried 1440p test, got 16 delayed frames!
Man, I used 4.25 heavy, thats model twice heavier than 4.6 (by performance)!

What's your GPU model? Nvidia drivers version and Windows version?

The 11 months old (bought 11 months ago) RTX 4070 GPU model, 565.90 graphics driver, Windows 10 19045.5011 OS build!

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narkohol wrote:

I don't know why, but after trying a crap ton of different options and combinations I can’t get SVP RIFE to do smooth 60fps playback.
There are always some microstutters/hitching and Dropped/Skipped/Delayed frames when I use SVP with RIFE, even with low CPU and GPU % usages (I'm using scaling to QHD 1440p and black bars on a RTX4080 and Ryzen 5950x).
If I disable SVP there are no Dropped/Skipped/Delayed frames or stutters/hitching.

I tried MPV, PotPlayer, MPC-BE, VLC with all available video renderers and video decoders in each one, and  the same happens in all of them.

All that I tried in detail here: https://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=85781

TL;DR Can any of you play this file ( 30 seconds long dolly from Unbelievable 2160p DV HDR ) at 60fps perfectly fine with no Dropped/Skipped/Delayed frames and no visible hitches/stutters?

Give a read to this if you haven't already https://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewtopi … 057#p82057

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narkohol wrote:

Dropped/Skipped/Delayed

In nvcp, set the player to fast sync. Most likely, you have dropped frames due to desynchronization. This is the only case when the ancient fast sync can be useful.

2,100 Reply by Xenocyde (edited by Xenocyde 07-11-2024 11:58:58)

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Drakko01 wrote:

Give a read to this if you haven't already https://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewtopi … 057#p82057

Wanted to jump in and say choppiness at 1440p could be RAM related as well, but then saw your comment. I think the GDDR6 VRAM on the GPU also plays an important role. RTX 5000 is coming with GDDR7 so we might see improvements at least with 1440p if not with 4K content.