MakeN PotPlayer Guide - Not Dead Yet 2021 W.I.P. (Page 7 of 21)

Hey Zachn, good to see you again .

Hmm you say that without SVP and playing that Movie from the screenshot ( Batman ), you get arround 25% of CPU usage ? thats too bad, too much, im wondering if that mkv is very high bitrated or with very high Reference Frames.. I have Transformers Revenge of the Fallen IMAX FullHD 1080p DTSHD MA 5.1 mkv with this spec: arround 20Mbps video bitrate that is very high for  old PC and with my personal configurations without SVP it just take from my CPU 11% without running anything in the background, with your CPU it should be near ZERO or 1%. With 720p my CPU usage is 4/8% with the same case. I think something is missing there, one step or something that is consuming you alot of CPU usage when playing that file. Just wait, i will update the Guide with some Detailed images for an easy fallowing, if after that you are still having that high CPU usage without SVP then is sure that is something else that you dont know, taking without need more resourses than normal. Dont worry we will soved that very soon .

@Rimsky
Thank you again , you helped me with more things i was wondering before.

@Chainik
  sorry friend.

Ok, turns out I was wrong, I checked again without SVP and no extra programs in the background, CPU usage is 0%-4% when playing a 1080p MKV file so all is good.

Now it's time to move on to reducing CPU usage with SVP and increasing GPU usage. What's the next step?

Main post updated

Update:
1- PotPlayer configurations section was updated.

@Zachn
Hi, how you been?
Check the main post > PotPlayer Configurations, try both Cases and show us your results please ( detailed all you can and if possible with screenshots - thanks ). Lets leave enhanced the image quality for the end, once you get properly configured PotPlayer and SVP balanced between Performance and Quality then we go to EXTRA section that will be my next updates for Very High and Extreme Image Quality, note that this will be possible only if users after finish configure PotPlayer, SVP and their custom profiles, if still some power from their CPU and GPU remaind then lets focus on the Image Quality because this will cost more performance drop .

@Chainik
Hi, how you been?
Yes, thanks and sorry for the late answer, i was so busy working like crazy . Maken need money for update my old pc im tired of not be able to play lastest games and i want experiment much more with SVP . If im honest with you i dont know how to use Wiki much, in fact this will be the first time, there is some settings,etc i still not understand much, i want to finish this Guide here first, then if you help me some we can try with Wiki ok?

Greetings to all peoples.

travolter
Anyone could set render to overlaymixer and CPU decoding codecs/SVP and check performance of some Nvidia drivers?
Why you don't do it yourself? What the problem?
When I need it I doing it myself.

SVPmark results from this picture show speed of CPU decode and SVP calculations with GPU OpenCL acceleration but without any rendering.

To determine calculation speed with rendering you need to use Graphedit (GraphStudio / GraphStudioNext) for example. It is individual for each system. And It is no 100% garantee that your player shows the same speed as Graphedit.

Hi Maken,

I went back to the main post and reconfigured PotPlayer with Haali Media Splitter as you suggested. The player is now configured correctly, and I'm not using LAV but the built in DXVA of PotPlayer.

Now I tried both cases, here are the screenshots:

1. EVR

2. madVR

I didn't use any advanced scaling options in madVR and I turned off Scale in Linear Light

Looks like the performance are roughly the same.

What do you think?

Hey Maken,

First, I have a question about the Audio, today I bought a new Yamaha HTR-4064 Receiver and 2 Morel SP-2 Satellite speakers, and for a Subwoofer I have an Alpha Technologies XP-1150, so it's a 2.1 Setup, very nice indeed
At first I set the Speakers to 2.1+LFE but after reading your suggestions, I set the speakers to Dolby Surround/Prologic, and it does sound better. If I set it to "Same as Input" the quality is not good.

Can you please tell me if that's ok?

I have the option to set the audio device as LG TV (NVIDIA High Definition), should I choose that one or use the Default DirectSound Device?

Now about SVP, I'm using the default profile for 1080p:

Here is the file info:

[Used Filter List]
(1) Haali Media Splitter
(2) Video Codec/Transform
(3) ffdshow raw video filter
(4) Enhanced Video Renderer(Custom Present)
(5) Audio Codec/Transform
(6) DirectSound Audio Renderer

[Video Information]
Video Codec:avc1 - DXVA Decoder(VLD - Slice Short)
Input type:avc1(24 bits)
Input size:1920 x 1080(1.78:1)
Output type:YV12(12 bits)
Output Size:1920 x 1080(1.78:1)
Frame Rate:23.98
BitRate: Unknown

[Audio Information]
Audio Codec:DTS(0x2001) - Default Decoder
Sample rate:48000 ->48000 samples / sec
Bit rate:0 ->32 bits / sample
Channels:6 ->3 channels
Bitrate: 0 kbps

D:\HD\Movies\The.Dark.Knight.1080p.Bluray.DTS.x264-SHiTSoNy\The.Dark.Knight.1080p.Bluray.DTS.x264-SHiTSoNy.mkv
  General
    Unique ID : 192175582977566119918117248947374706854 (0x9093ABC595BE57569EDB64B77D86D0A6)
    Complete name : D:\HD\Movies\The.Dark.Knight.1080p.Bluray.DTS.x264-SHiTSoNy\The.Dark.Knight.1080p.Bluray.DTS.x264-SHiTSoNy.mkv
    Format : Matroska
    Format version : Version 1
    File size : 15.9 GiB
    Duration : 2h 32mn
    Overall bit rate : 14.9 Mbps
    Encoded date : UTC 2008-12-02 18:38:40
    Writing application : mkvmerge v2.3.0 ('Freak U') built on Sep  8 2008 18:32:16
    Writing library : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1
  Video #1
    ID : 1
    Format : AVC
    Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile : High@L4.1
    Format settings, CABAC : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
    Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
    Duration : 2h 32mn
    Bit rate : 13.4 Mbps
    Width : 1 920 pixels
    Height : 1 080 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate : 23.976 fps
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.270
    Stream size : 14.0 GiB (88%)
    Writing library : x264 core 65 r1042M 5df2a71
    Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=4 / deblock=1:-3:-2 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=9 / psy_rd=0.9:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=32 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-4 / threads=3 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40(pre) / rc=2pass / bitrate=13432 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=40000 / vbv_bufsize=40000 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:1.10 / zones=211217,217989,q=30
    Default : Yes
    Forced : No
  Audio #2
    ID : 2
    Format : DTS
    Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
    Codec ID : A_DTS
    Duration : 2h 32mn
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 1 510 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 6 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth : 24 bits
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Stream size : 1.61 GiB (10%)
    Language : English
    Default : Yes
    Forced : No
  Text #3
    ID : 3
    Format : UTF-8
    Codec ID : S_TEXT/UTF8
    Codec ID/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text
    Language : Dutch
    Default : Yes
    Forced : No

Thanks

Hi Maken, thanks for the info, to answer your questions:

1. My motherboard is MSI Z77-GD65 and I have an integrated Soundcard, but I'm not using it to pass sound. Currently, I connected my computer to my Yamaha receiver with an HDMI cable from the GTX680 GPU so all the sound is transferred from the GPU at the moment. Of course I did this because HDMI also transfers high quality Audio so I thought why not use 1 less cable and just pass it from the GPU. I can of course pass the sound from the SPDIF out with a cable but right now it's working with the HDMI cable that is connected to my GTX680. Should I change this for better Audio performance? The option of LG TV (NVIDIA High Definition) is relevant to the HDMI out of the GPU, it's not related to the soundcard on the motherboard.

2. I'll get home and try some SVP settings you suggested, but I'm still having a hard time deciding whether I want to use madVR or EVR. madVR simply utilizes my GPU better than EVR. Also, about DXVA, currently I'm using PotPlayer's default DXVA decoders, why not use LAV for DXVA? Because I saw that with LAV you can choose if you want to use NVIDIA CUVID/DXVA Native/DXVA Copy Back etc, but with PotPlayer's DXVA I don't see these options. Please help me decide which settings are best for me.

Thanks.

Hi all, everything ok here? i hope .

Lets take this like example of the quality of my Guide on my PC, you all take this as example if your pc is much better than mine and im sure it is so the results in your case have to be much much better!.

First let me show you this:

Thats my PC, i have lowered some my CPU overclocking to do and demostrate more the quality of my work of all this time about my system performance / overclocks. With such of CPU model / type and my two GPUS ( Nvida GeForce GTS 250 1GB in SLi ) they are nothing compared with the actual hardware so if i figured out how to handle some SVP and more with this then you that have better PC than it, have to be much much better the results if you do all right as describe on my Guide.

This screenshot was taken playing this movie Transformers Revenge of The Fallen IMAX Edition and it specs are:

    Complete name : D:\Movies and Demos\Transformers Revenge of The Fallen IMAX Edition BluRay x264 1080p DTS HD MA.mkv
    Format : Matroska
    Format version : Version 2
    File size : 21.9 GiB
    Duration : 2h 30mn
    Overall bit rate mode : Variable
    Overall bit rate : 20.9 Mbps  --------------------> [i]High Video Bit rate, this kind of bit rate was hard play with SVP before but now is different [/i]:)
    Movie name : Transformers Revenge of the Fallen (2009)
    Encoded date : UTC 2009-11-10 11:14:52
    Writing application : mkvmerge v2.9.7 ('Tenderness') built on Jul  1 2009 18:43:35
    Writing library : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1
    Attachment : Yes / Yes / Yes
  Video #1
    ID : 1
    Format : AVC
    Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile : High@L4.1
    Format settings, CABAC : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
    Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
    Duration : 2h 30mn
    Bit rate : 19.3 Mbps
    Width : 1 920 pixels
    Height : 1 080 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate : 23.976 fps
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.388
    Stream size : 19.8 GiB (90%)
    Title : 19.2Mbps MPEG-4 AVC
    Writing library : x264 core 78 r1318 fe83a90
    Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=4 / deblock=1:-3:-3 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=esa / subme=9 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.2:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=32 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=6 / nr=0 / decimate=0 / mbaff=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=6 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / rc_lookahead=70 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=19272 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=50000 / vbv_bufsize=50000 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:0.80 / zones=85441,87130,b=1.25/87235,90254,b=1.25/90501,91426,b=1.25/160287,160561,b=1.25/162627,162695,b=1.25/162733,162901,b=1.25/162973,163026,b=1.25/163322,163453,b=1.25/163490,163823,b=1.25/163860,163984,b=1.25/164014,164288,b=1.25/168452,168592,b=1.25/168712,169058,b=1.25/169227,169274,b=1.25/169313,169748,b=1.25/169915,169992,b=1.25/170070,170502,b=1.25/170801,171364,b=1.25/171406,171995,b=1.25/178178,178286,b=1.25/182037,182157,b=1.25
    Language : English
    Default : Yes
    Forced : No
  Audio #2
    ID : 2
    Format : DTS
    Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
    Codec ID : A_DTS
    Duration : 2h 30mn
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 1 510 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 6 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth : 24 bits
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Stream size : 1.59 GiB (7%)
    Title : Main Audio DTS 5.1 @ 1536Kbps
    Language : English
    Default : Yes
    Forced : No
  Audio #3
    ID : 3
    Format : Vorbis
    Format settings, Floor : 1
    Codec ID : A_VORBIS
    Duration : 2h 30mn
    Bit rate mode : Variable
    Bit rate : 80.0 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 2 channels
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Stream size : 86.1 MiB (0%)
    Title : Commentary OGG 2.0 @ 80Kbps
    Writing library : libVorbis 1.2 (UTC 2007-06-22)
    Language : English
    Default : No
    Forced : No
  Text #4
    ID : 4
    Format : ASS
    Codec ID : S_TEXT/ASS
    Codec ID/Info : Advanced Sub Station Alpha
    Compression mode : Lossless
    Language : English
    Default : No
    Forced : No

Thats result of fallowing my Guide, without SVP and Nvidia drivers 304.79.

Now see this one with the same movie + SVP on + one balanced SVP custom profile ( i recommend you to go to first page - 3rd post to see my recommended profile to start to play and create your own custom profiles ) and the same video drivers:

One thing sometimes i have some problems of high CPU Spikes and performance drop playing 1080p files using on SVP 16 px. Average 0 so i have to lower it to 24 px. Large 2 to minimize some my performance drop on 1080p files. Its not faul of SVP no no no, its my CPU that cant handle more . Lets say that if that movie were encoded to 29.97 fps and taking those settings on the SVP then impossible to playback with that PC specs, i have to lower more other settings and sacrifice the smooth and gain more artifacts. With 720p its much better i can use more settings to give more smooth quality and minimize some artifacts, even use some extra audio quality and shaders.

Greetings Zachn, how you been?

I tell you again friend, that is normal the profile you was using or were set on the SVP by default was based automaticaly on your CPU Type / performance. If your CPU type / performance are old / slow then SVP will set lower profile settings to adjust to your system performance, more powerful is your CPU and GPU then more settings will and must be set to take advantage of it, provide better smooth and image quality at cost of high hardware utilization. For example in one game more filters, textures, antialiasing and resolution you use more quality you get at cost of performance, lower settings provides high performance at cost in lost of image quality. This is hard decition that depend on users and it possibilities, you have to keep that in mind, what you really want?

Thanks for the screenshot it is always the best way and it have to be for better understanding.

Ok about your profile i think its ok for your PC but in my case i cant use that XD impossible, those are settings that are demanding but worth, i dont recommend you useTwo pixels taking in mind the power of your PC, you should try at least One pixel or better, that settings cost high CPU usage but it worth, it minimize some artifacts and not sacrifice smooth. I recommend you better use Half pixel (default) all the time  because your pc can handle it, my pc does only with 720p and it provide better smooth in special in fast escenes.

Uniform (max smoothenss) it provide the max as it says smoothenss but give you more artifacts, to lower some of it you need to max some settings that will cost you more CPU and GPU usages at even with that some artifacts can be spotted and annoying for some peoples. I think use it if you dont care artifacts and you just want very high smoothenss and feel like if it were playing one video game at constant 60 fps without any drop in motion with all kind of escenes. There is for me other ways to give almost the same it does combining other settings. I recommend you leave it in Adaptive (default).

By two with global refinemen like it says, its extreme heavy operation and is true, impossible for me to use it with my actual hardware, i think this with Half pixel (default) help some with artifacts when you are using Uniform (max smoothenss) but those two settings in combination are heavy CPU usage, thats the price for smooth as i told you before, change / lower those settings will reduce your CPU usage at cost of less or different smooth quality compared with the settings of your profile ( screenshot ). I recommend you leave it in Disable (default) first while you still dont know when to use it and spot it effects.

About why EVR CP use more GPU i will explain you in my experience ok? in old days with some old Nvidia Drivers the OpenCL and it performance was greater compared with the lastest drivers using EVR CP, something that was affecting me a lot , my performance decreased so much with the new changes, ruining my old settings and performance with SVP so i found MadVR the only solution until now. I was with two Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS 512mb in SLi, then changed both by Two Nvidia GeForce GTS 250 1gb in SLi and the problem was still present. If i apply my personal Guide on one recent system ( much much better than mine of course ) using EVR CP the results are ok not problems, but in my case it does not, high CPU spikes and constantly SVPs messages showing me performance drop and insane GPUs usage making play some file almost impossible with Medium / High settings on my profiles ( check out some old pages from this thread and you will see ). MadVR minimized so much my annoying performance drop using EVR CP on those GPUs, also it was providing me new and high image quality with DVDs and 720p saving me to use some shaders ( for enhance image quality ) that will cost me more CPU usage that can affect my performance with SVP ( even using my well overclocked Core 2 Duo ). As i said on my Guide use MadVR if your GPU is old / slow, to save some CPU usage ( if you configure it well ) and enhanced image quality of some DVDs and 720p files. If your GPU(s) are new / faster then you can use EVR CP even with the bad performance with OpenCL on the lastest Nvidia Drivers that are still provinding, bad performance that your recent and powerful GPU will handle without much problems. If your GPU(s) are more recent and poweful than your CPU, MadVR can be use as well to prior all you can to GPU(s), free more resourses to CPU ideal for SVP and your X custom profile settings.

Try this and tell me if you like

I ask you again what you really want? Smooth Quality or Performance ?

Highest Smooth Quality with less or not so much artifacts + highest image quality = Huge performance drop / hardware use, price that worth for the goal.
Highest Smooth Performance = Performance with huge or noticeable / annoying quality LOST, price to pay and needed for slower / old Hardware.
Balanced between Quality and Performance = dedication and advanced users. Practice, patient, well system overclocks to pushing much more your hadware capabilities, take advantage of it.

Good luck and thanks.

ok then lets " throw at it " at you said and dont worry much about your CPU and GPU usages, if its the same as before or more but if it Worth then no care much about that, thats why you have that PC right? if its powerful then lets use all that power all we can to provide the quality you are after. I have high usages on my CPU and GPUs all the time, but thats ok it worth, worse is that it were for nothing only to create annoying problems than entertaiment.

I need your help and well all of us need your help, you have to put your part finding and toying with settings as well to can find the Quality you are after fallowing the settings and upcoming settings from my Guide then later show us your results to can compare ok?

About Half Pixel (default) i told you it cost more peformance, huge on slow PCs, but in your case you must use it so no Two pixels, no One Pixel, use Half Pixel for all your profiles because you said your pc is powerful enought right? Thats important and good setting to use all the time if you can. Dont use Refinement until you dont know how it work and you can notice the effect, for more info about it ask to SVP Team.

About extra settings for EVR CP leave it for the end, concentrate now only on SVP, find smooth quality you want then later we go for Image Quality ( extra ).
About LAV Filters, its better for Media Player HC. PotPlayer and my Guide not need it.

Thanks.

Greetings to all and SVP Team.
Updates next week .