Dropped Frames in Fullscreen MadVR/SVP (Page 3 of 3)

EVR isnt Windows default renderer, its an improvement already.

As far as I read in other forums, EVR is a huge improvement of image quality compared to windows default renderer while madVR is only a tiny, for most people even not noticable improvement over EVR.

But I agree that upscaling SD material to Full HD, even jinc 8 is just not good enough. Since I use a projector and watch at a screen diagonale of 2 meter, SD material became totaly unwatchable to me. No matter what scaling method used.

btw, this is the difference between Lanczos and Jinc:
Left Jinc, right Lanczos:

As someone once said: the last 10% of quality take 90% of the hardware load. 

Indeed.... today SVP allerted about some errors again...  Sometimes Mpc-hc however, did not complain about "invalid script" and yet SVP allert me about errors... even though mpc-hc did not !!!

Here's ↓ the latest lol mag...

2:36:22.438; Start: SVPMgr 3.1.5 (931) starts...
2:36:22.438; AppDataPath: C:\ProgramData (ANSI)
2:36:22.438; Start: read settings file settings.ini
2:36:22.438; Start: load language file - English. Duration: 30 ms
2:36:22.468; Start: check launched instance of SVP-manager
2:36:22.468; Start: check Avisynth installed. Duration: 5569 ms
2:36:28.037; Start: clear Logs folder. Duration: 10 ms
2:36:28.047; Start: performance graphs prepare
2:36:28.047; Start: SVPMgr folders prepare. Duration: 10 ms
2:36:28.057; Start: read settings file SVPMgr.ini
2:36:28.057; Start: GPUs settings detection. Duration: 560 ms
2:36:28.617; Start: detected graphics (OpenCL) adapter: 11. AMD Radeon HD 7900 Series (2800)
2:36:28.617; Start: monitors settings detection. Duration: 880 ms
2:36:29.497; Start: detected monitor: 1920 x 1080 @ 60
2:36:29.497; Start: disable LNG-file write when UAC enabled
2:36:29.497; Start: change SVP-manager priority
2:36:29.497; Start: register hotkeys. Duration: 10 ms
2:36:29.507; Start: get versions of modules used
ffdshow.ax/avisynth.dll: 1.3.4515.0/2.5.8.6
svpflow1/2.dll: 1.3.4.0/1.5.1.0
svpflow_cpu/gpu.dll: 1.7.2.0/1.7.9.0
2:36:29.507; Start: refresh autostart state in registry
2:36:29.507; Start: some more work with registry
2:36:29.507; Start: create menu. Duration: 10 ms
2:36:29.517; Start: update settings file settings.ini. Duration: 10 ms
2:36:29.527; Start: update monitor settings
2:36:29.527; Start: prepare "About the program" window. Duration: 370 ms
2:36:29.897; Start: enable ffdShow waiting mode
2:36:29.897; Start: prepare to work is complete
2:36:29.897; RefreshSVP
2:36:29.897; ===== Waiting for ffdshow video

2:36:47.666; ===== Detected playback with ffdShow. AppName: mpc-hc.exe PID: 4864
2:36:47.667; GetDimensionAndFPS_fromOSD start. Duration: 425 ms
2:36:48.092; GetDimensionAndFPS_fromOSD result: 720x576 25 64/45
2:36:48.096; T1T: begin
2:36:48.096; T1T: GetAllMediaParams
2:36:48.097; T1T: SettingsPrepare
2:36:48.102; T1T: Preparing smooth playback...
2:36:48.103; T1T: WriteAllMediaParamsToIni
2:36:48.104; SVPMgr: main "C:\ProgramData\SVP 3.1\" 712 568 25 712 568 12 5. Duration: 479 ms
2:36:48.583; ===== Playback
25 * (12 : 5) = 60 fps
Frame crop: [4:4:4:4] 
2:36:48.583; SetPriorityPlayer: 2. Duration: 8653 ms
2:36:57.236; ===== rewind forward 00:00:09 / --:--:--
2:36:59.421; this is changing FalseVFR_Dwn. ffdShow-framerate: 4.027
2:37:00.386; this is changing FalseVFR_Up. ffdShow-framerate: 15.455
2:37:01.321; this is changing FalseVFR_Up. ffdShow-framerate: 23.121
2:37:02.257; this is changing FalseVFR_Up. ffdShow-framerate: 24.713
2:37:03.194; this is changing FalseVFR_Up. ffdShow-framerate: 25
2:37:03.194; express clear interval
2:37:03.195; stabilized ffdShow-framerate: 25 fps. SVP Index:0.93/0.93
2:40:07.712; ===== rewind backward 00:03:21 / --:--:--
2:41:15.011; ===== rewind backward 00:04:28 / --:--:--
2:41:17.897; this is changing FalseVFR_Dwn. ffdShow-framerate: 24.24
2:41:21.649; clear interval
2:41:21.650; stabilized ffdShow-framerate: 24.247 fps. SVP Index:1.01/1.06
2:41:21.653; SVPMgr: main "C:\ProgramData\SVP 3.1\" 712 568 24.247 712 568 27 11. Duration: 413 ms
2:41:22.066; ===== Playback
24.247 * (27 : 11) = 59.515 fps
Frame crop: [4:4:4:4] 
2:42:14.166; ===== rewind backward 00:05:28 / --:--:--
2:42:16.599; this is changing FalseVFR_Up. ffdShow-framerate: 24.427
2:42:18.707; ===== rewind backward 00:05:31 / --:--:--
2:42:21.607; stabilized ffdShow-framerate: 24.502 fps. SVP Index:0.00/0.86
2:42:21.610; SVPMgr: main "C:\ProgramData\SVP 3.1\" 712 568 24.502 712 568 17 7. Duration: 284 ms
2:42:21.894; ===== Playback
24.502 * (17 : 7) = 59.505 fps
Frame crop: [4:4:4:4] 
2:42:26.655; ===== rewind backward 00:05:39 / --:--:--
2:42:30.593; this is changing FalseVFR_Up. ffdShow-framerate: 24.604
2:42:31.528; express clear interval
2:42:31.529; stabilized ffdShow-framerate: 24.616 fps. SVP Index:0.23/0.23
2:42:59.323; ===== rewind backward 00:00:00 / 00:00:00
2:42:59.325; RefreshSVP
2:42:59.328; ===== Waiting for ffdshow video

2:43:11.989; ===== Detected playback with ffdShow. AppName: mpc-hc.exe PID: 1096
2:43:11.990; GetDimensionAndFPS_fromOSD start. Duration: 205 ms
2:43:12.195; GetDimensionAndFPS_fromOSD result: 720x576 25 64/45
2:43:12.199; T1T: begin
2:43:12.199; T1T: GetAllMediaParams
2:43:12.200; T1T: SettingsPrepare. Duration: 6 ms
2:43:12.206; T1T: Preparing smooth playback...
2:43:12.208; T1T: WriteAllMediaParamsToIni
2:43:12.208; SVPMgr: main "C:\ProgramData\SVP 3.1\" 712 568 25 712 568 12 5. Duration: 302 ms
2:43:12.510; ===== Playback
25 * (12 : 5) = 60 fps
Frame crop: [4:4:4:4] 
2:43:12.511; SetPriorityPlayer: 2. Duration: 1937 ms
2:43:14.448; this is changing FalseVFR_Dwn. ffdShow-framerate: 15.725
2:43:15.389; this is changing FalseVFR_Up. ffdShow-framerate: 19.386
2:43:16.317; this is changing FalseVFR_Up. ffdShow-framerate: 23.895
2:43:17.252; this is changing FalseVFR_Up. ffdShow-framerate: 24.925
2:43:18.198; express clear interval
2:43:18.199; stabilized ffdShow-framerate: 25 fps. SVP Index:1.17/1.20
2:43:23.065; ===== rewind backward 00:00:11 / --:--:--
2:43:29.375; ===== rewind backward 00:00:17 / --:--:--
2:43:48.914; Error: Warning: there's a memory leak in the video player: 1238 MB
To prevent the closing of the player due to lack of memory a script restarted improve smoothness.. Duration: 5322 ms
2:43:54.236; at start:1238 at end:1239 growth:59 MB/min. Duration: 9202 ms
2:44:03.438; SetPriorityPlayer: 3
2:53:40.931; ===== rewind backward 00:10:29 / --:--:--
2:55:32.706; RefreshSVP. Duration: 9 ms
2:55:32.715; ===== Waiting for ffdshow video

2:55:39.307; ===== Detected playback with ffdShow. AppName: mpc-hc.exe PID: 1096
2:55:39.308; GetDimensionAndFPS_fromOSD start. Duration: 126 ms
2:55:39.434; GetDimensionAndFPS_fromOSD result: 720x576 25 64/45
2:55:39.437; T1T: begin
2:55:39.437; T1T: GetAllMediaParams
2:55:39.438; T1T: SettingsPrepare. Duration: 6 ms
2:55:39.444; T1T: Preparing smooth playback...
2:55:39.446; T1T: WriteAllMediaParamsToIni
2:55:39.447; SVPMgr: main "C:\ProgramData\SVP 3.1\" 712 568 25 712 568 12 5. Duration: 352 ms
2:55:39.799; ===== Playback
25 * (12 : 5) = 60 fps
Frame crop: [4:4:4:4] 
2:55:39.799; SetPriorityPlayer: 3
2:56:18.771; ===== rewind forward 00:00:39 / --:--:--
2:56:21.339; this is changing FalseVFR_Dwn. ffdShow-framerate: 0.054
2:56:25.083; clear interval
2:56:25.083; stabilized ffdShow-framerate: 0.028 fps. SVP Index:0.00/0.00
2:56:25.086; SVPMgr: main "C:\ProgramData\SVP 3.1\" 712 568 0.028 712 568 2143 1. Duration: 281 ms
2:56:25.367; ===== Playback
0.028 * (2143 : 1) = 60.004 fps
Frame crop: [4:4:4:4] 
2:56:58.779; ===== rewind forward 00:01:19 / --:--:--
2:57:05.885; ===== rewind forward 00:01:25 / --:--:--
2:57:08.888; this is changing FalseVFR_Up. ffdShow-framerate: 14.73
2:57:09.823; this is changing FalseVFR_Up. ffdShow-framerate: 22.762
2:57:10.759; this is changing FalseVFR_Up. ffdShow-framerate: 24.627
2:57:11.697; this is changing FalseVFR_Up. ffdShow-framerate: 25
2:57:11.697; express clear interval
2:57:11.698; stabilized ffdShow-framerate: 25 fps. SVP Index:0.00/0.93
2:57:11.700; SVPMgr: main "C:\ProgramData\SVP 3.1\" 712 568 25 712 568 12 5. Duration: 335 ms
2:57:12.035; ===== Playback
25 * (12 : 5) = 60 fps
Frame crop: [4:4:4:4] 
2:58:16.302; RefreshSVP. Duration: 8 ms
2:58:16.310; ===== Waiting for ffdshow video

2:58:20.378; ===== Detected playback with ffdShow. AppName: mpc-hc.exe PID: 1096
2:58:20.379; GetDimensionAndFPS_fromOSD start. Duration: 3068 ms
2:58:23.447; GetDimensionAndFPS_fromOSD result: 720x576 25 64/45
2:58:23.450; T1T: begin
2:58:23.450; T1T: GetAllMediaParams
2:58:23.451; T1T: SettingsPrepare
2:58:23.455; T1T: Preparing smooth playback...
2:58:23.456; T1T: WriteAllMediaParamsToIni
2:58:23.456; SVPMgr: main "C:\ProgramData\SVP 3.1\" 712 568 25 712 568 12 5. Duration: 297 ms
2:58:23.753; ===== Playback
25 * (12 : 5) = 60 fps
Frame crop: [4:4:4:4] 
2:58:23.753; SetPriorityPlayer: 3. Duration: 1153 ms
2:58:24.906; this is changing FalseVFR_Dwn. ffdShow-framerate: 20.629
2:58:25.833; this is changing FalseVFR_Up. ffdShow-framerate: 24.048
2:58:26.778; this is changing FalseVFR_Up. ffdShow-framerate: 24.965
2:58:27.715; express clear interval
2:58:27.715; stabilized ffdShow-framerate: 25 fps. SVP Index:0.92/0.93
2:58:46.273; ===== rewind backward 00:00:26 / --:--:--
2:58:48.619; this is changing FalseVFR_Dwn. ffdShow-framerate: 23.733
2:58:52.417; clear interval
2:58:52.418; stabilized ffdShow-framerate: 23.832 fps. SVP Index:1.13/0.96
2:58:52.420; SVPMgr: main "C:\ProgramData\SVP 3.1\" 712 568 23.832 712 568 5 2. Duration: 398 ms
2:58:52.818; ===== Playback
23.832 * (5 : 2) = 59.58 fps
Frame crop: [4:4:4:4] 
2:58:54.761; this is changing FalseVFR_Up. ffdShow-framerate: 23.947
2:58:58.500; clear interval
2:58:58.501; stabilized ffdShow-framerate: 24.03 fps. SVP Index:0.91/0.85
2:59:04.180; this is changing FalseVFR_Up. ffdShow-framerate: 24.139
2:59:07.938; clear interval
2:59:07.939; stabilized ffdShow-framerate: 24.228 fps. SVP Index:0.88/0.85
2:59:18.313; this is changing FalseVFR_Up. ffdShow-framerate: 24.329
2:59:22.072; clear interval
2:59:22.073; stabilized ffdShow-framerate: 24.409 fps. SVP Index:1.01/0.94
2:59:22.075; SVPMgr: main "C:\ProgramData\SVP 3.1\" 712 568 24.409 712 568 22 9. Duration: 416 ms
2:59:22.491; ===== Playback
24.409 * (22 : 9) = 59.666 fps
Frame crop: [4:4:4:4] 
2:59:44.114; this is changing FalseVFR_Up. ffdShow-framerate: 24.511
2:59:48.000; clear interval
2:59:48.001; stabilized ffdShow-framerate: 24.586 fps. SVP Index:1.19/1.05
2:59:48.004; SVPMgr: main "C:\ProgramData\SVP 3.1\" 712 568 24.586 712 568 17 7. Duration: 360 ms
2:59:48.364; ===== Playback
24.586 * (17 : 7) = 59.709 fps
Frame crop: [4:4:4:4] 
2:59:49.825; ===== rewind backward 00:01:29 / --:--:--
2:59:52.353; this is changing FalseVFR_Up. ffdShow-framerate: 25
2:59:53.356; express clear interval
2:59:53.357; stabilized ffdShow-framerate: 25 fps. SVP Index:0.00/1.07
2:59:53.360; SVPMgr: main "C:\ProgramData\SVP 3.1\" 712 568 25 712 568 12 5. Duration: 411 ms
2:59:53.771; ===== Playback
25 * (12 : 5) = 60 fps
Frame crop: [4:4:4:4] 
3:00:10.047; Error: Warning: there's a memory leak in the video player: 1320 MB
To prevent the closing of the player due to lack of memory a script restarted improve smoothness.. Duration: 7542 ms
3:00:17.589; at start:1334 at end:1334 stable
3:19:05.308; ===== rewind backward 00:20:44 / --:--:--
3:20:34.044; RefreshSVP
3:20:34.046; ===== Waiting for ffdshow video

So, first i thought about the command line i have changed in overide.js "Limited.smooth.scene" or something in the line if i recall correct... so i have revert it back to defaul → //  + the default value of 4000 ... well the value doesnt matter me thinks because // = completely disabled anyway right?

So i did to check and see if i could reproduce that error while running svp at default setting back again.... and sure enough the error persisted    !!! 

Thanks+1  , i'll have look..

cheers,

Metagondria
// = completely disabled anyway right?
Yes

In the latest log I see one error that appear twice:

1320 MB is not so high value. You can increase value of hidden setting ReloadAVSFactor from 0.5 to 0.8: SVP tray menu - Information - Hidden settings.
Oh. I see. You already did that.

Yes.. i have set the value to 0 to completely illimenate memleak messages..  Have lots of ram anyway...

usually when i take the time to relax and watch something through mpc... i dont need the ram as much for anything else in the background... 
I always ... work before pleasure ..  :D 

MAG ... i like to ask you...

Woud it be possible to implement and Auto Deinterlace feature in SVP ???  So that i dont have to Disable or enable it all the time !!!

Thank you ijn advance...

What iam trying to tell and judge from the looks of those pictars fanta19 is.... that Jinc (left pictar) is nicer looking because of the less pixels due to the way of Anti-aliases processing i asume ... but... i prefer Lanzcos(right pictar) because the image looks brighter = therefor lil bit sharper  ... wel atleast on my screen ...

So yeah.. jinc looks more blurred to me probebly because of the high AA that is involved....  the method of frame rendering..

For EXAMPLE, in games iits THE EXACT SAME THING....  the MORE AA u use (i.e 2x 4x 8x etc)  the more BLURRED the image is and obviously because of that the IMAGE is less sharpen resulting in BLURRED objects on your screen... YUcJK i HATE it AA....

Though... an lil AA can be acceptable like 2x.... but thats as far as i want to go... anything more is just plain rubbish and spoils the fun in gaming... cuz everything is less noticeable you know what i mean...

The sharper the image the more clear it looks  =  MORE FRAGS hehe :P.

ANISOTROPIC filtering however... is like the DIRECT counterpart of AA  and SHARPENS the details ingame ALLOTS ...  and is always set to the highest level 16x over here  :D  ...

that ↑ up there is an VERY VERY nice FEATURE iam in LUV with  :D ...  AND NOT THE LEAST IMPORTANT → ... its not AS GPU DEMANDING as AA feauture tooo O !!!

SErIOUSLY,  you must have noticed that tooOO .. dont you  :/

So and again... i PREFER SHARPNESS above anything else ....  Meaning sharper = MORE DETAILS..  :D   

And i have talked you about that earlier in one of my topics .... the comparison of DIVX/XVID material VS the original SOURCE (dvd, Cam)  from which those DIVX/XVID files are created usualy ... when you search for an compressed movie on the www..

Oh nose.... SD + Enhancements (i.e desktop resolution + avisynth filtering) to me .. looks as great as HD → whitout enhancements though...

No question about it.... 

i have said it before and i say it again.... that HD stuff is SO OVER ESTIMATED to me...

The main and BIGGEST difference i see in HD material compared to DVD is the noise factore.... HD material looks → MUch MUch ← more clean ... the only thing that has dissappointed me about Bluray/HD is that the image still isnt as SHARP as it should be ... !!!!

Sure you must have noticed that too !!

But thats just me....

Wel not just me...

I have several ppl / friends / family of mine that have an Top Notch homecinema system in their houses that is capable of playing both bluray + dvd (backwards compatible ofcourse) 

And they came all to the same conclusion about Bluray ....  it looks an BIT better but tis not THAT HUGE LEAP forward since DVD ....

Perhaps the difference isnt that noticeable ,because dvd discs that are played in stand alone bluray players are automatically ENHANCED already ... because of the settings ppl use from in their stand alones.... like for example the upscaled resolution (very important) to 720p / 1080p...

Why else do you think Bluray has such an hard time to sell to the poeple , and are so many people in my community that still have DVD player instead of bluray player ← which is dvd backwards compatible by the way..

Many people i know have seen and watch bluray and arent all the impressive , so they didnt feel the need to change their hardware at home just and because for this small difference..

And i BET , thats why big movie industries are focusing on the next format →  4K monster resolution !!!!!

Yes... Croma is more for collor.... while luma brightens the picture...  I have noticed that while using sharpening filter....

You have to be carefull using Chroma.. cuz it tends to create allots of color noise in your pictar playback !!!!!!!

cheers,

errrgris???? Tis an aquired taste ...   

If you like i always can post an RAW google translation next time    ?!

But i can't promise the message will be shorter and/or more comprehensible  .. 

cherriepoopers;.

In that case, you need the least advanced scaling. Because its the sharpest. So more hardware damanding te scaling is, so less sharpness but less aliasing it has. (rough rule)

Desktop resolution? Thats SCALING. When ever you scale a video to the desktop resolution, it uses a scaling algorithm. madVR or not, it does use one of the ones madVR offers aswell. So you just need to find the one that windows usual uses. I think DXVA2 is standard (hardware scaling of the GPU) Everything is normaly scaled by that. Games in non-native resolutions and so on. If you think thats the one and only really good working one for you, pick it in madVR....
And f you think SD material with DXVA2 + filtering does look "exactly like real full hd material too you, well, gratulations  )

I know about Chroma and Luma, I studied Graphic Design 20 years ago and I am quiet fit with photoshop. Its a usual "trick" to not sharpen Chroma because of noise, while only sharpen Luma. And even there you make a mask that sharpens dark more than light.
The Chroma contains colors without any shading. The Luma shading without any colors.

A Chroma channel looks like that:

While the Luma channel looks exactly like a black+white picture.
Thats a luma channel:

I will create an seperate topic for requests next time.. my bad...

Only thing is, i wos not sure that it's worth of the server space to create an entire new topic for an faq that fits in 1 line only    !!
But if u preffer you want me to create an topic everytime i need to ask something ... please let me know  .  I will keep in mind to do so in the future..

@fanta956

No... i didnt say i used DXVA+filtering .... more over .. i dont think i ever have used DXVA in Windvd 10 untill i swapped it for mpc-hc recently ...   !!

its my understanding that DXVA is to be used with → GPU ← hardware acceleration ... is it not...   ??

iam not sure... but DXVA1 is more intended to work with SD material such as DVD ... whileas DXVA2 is for HD purpose...   even though you can use DXVA2 for SD material... iam not sure about that...

That said, i use windvd without hardware accelaration because All2hd + DNM (filtering i wos talking about) can only be used in software mode = CPU demanding mode ...

What i meant to say is that i have tested and compared an bluray movie (all2hd+dnm = off / disabled) with an dvd movie (all2hd+dnm= V /enabled ) using windvd ... and i must say i didnt saw much difference quality wise...back then..

NOt to say, that if you woud use other means of playback/filtering that it still would not make any difference.

Also.. when i talk about desktop resolution ofcourse iam talking about SCALING .  But at the same time am i not upscaling aswell ...  when you play SD video material in → fullscreen mode ← regardless of the software player ..
→ Provided that the application uses the desktop HD resoultion wich is 1080p !!?

cheers,

err.. thanks... but i dont find MY faq ("ie: → auto ← deinterlace implentation") back in the list there Mag  !

Much less an answer.

But thanks for trying ...

cheers,

Then it was either:

a) you are very far away from the screen
b) you watched something that was converted (SD source that was "professionaly" upscaled and sold with HD label on blue ray) There is lots of this crap on the market.

If its a) then, from the pure resolution point of view (there are other "Problems" where these numbers are not enough distance) its said that:

SD material: 4.2x screendiagonale as eye to screen distance = resolution matches resolution limits of a human eye, increasing resolution does not improve quality anymore.
720p: human eye reaches its limits at 2.3x screendiagonale eye to screen distance
1080p: human eye reaches its limits at 1.6x screendiagonale  eye to screen distance
Ultra HD (so called "4K"):  human eye reaches its limits at 0.8x  screendiagonale eye to screen distance
Super High Vision (so called "8K"):  human eye reaches its limits at 0.4x  screendiagonale eye to screen distance

So, how far away are you sitting from your TV?

I have been looking for this fix ever since i started using SVP last year, . I could not go beyond 85 fps without getting dropped frames, now i can go up to the full 144 fps with my 144hz monitor and not get dropped frames. Are there any other hidden fixes I could try out? Also, if you could put together a collection of things like this for people to try out I think it would be very helpful for lots of people.

It's easier then all of you think.

Only have to do is check the D3D fullscreen mode in MPC HC.

View/Renderer settings/Presentation/D3D Fullscreen Mode checked