Topic: I5 6500 vs I5 6600 vs I5 4690k,need help deciding on cpu for build.

Does anyone have an idea if the performance difference between them is worth the $25 price difference?How is the HD Graphics 530 with svp(would I be able to use madvr to some extent?)
Just a quick rundown if you don't know difference between them:The I5 6500 has base clock of 3.2 and a maximum turbo clock of 3.6. The I5 6600 has base clock of 3.3 and a maximum turbo clock of 3.9.

Or should I just suck it up and go with an I5 4690k?Does overclocking really help with Svp?Or would the stock clocks be enough?(I only intend to use svp for 60@1080p).
Skylake has a better Igpu which I will be using for about a 9 months or so before I get a dedicated gpu so I need to know how much that would affect svp performance as the HD 530 is a substantial increase over the HD 4600.

Any replies would be appreciated.

2 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64 (edited by Nintendo Maniac 64 11-10-2015 02:02:39)

Re: I5 6500 vs I5 6600 vs I5 4690k,need help deciding on cpu for build.

Are the Skylake i5's non-K versions?

Regarding GPU, even low-end Haswell's iGPU (such as what is on the Pentium G3258) is adequate for SVP, so really it all comes down to CPU performance.  Just remember, Skylake is a bit faster per-GHz than Haswell.

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Nintendo Maniac 64 wrote:

Are the Skylake i5's non-K versions?

Regarding GPU, even low-end Haswell's iGPU (such as what is on the Pentium G3258) is adequate for SVP, so really it all comes down to CPU performance.  Just remember, Skylake is a bit faster per-GHz than Haswell.

Yes the skylake I5s are the non k versions,the k is out of my budget since it requires a cpu cooler which i won'tbe able to get for a few months and a Z170 chipset instead which is much more expensive than a h170.
The Haswell is overclockable tho.You said cpu performance is the main factor so the i5 4690k seems like the better choice as I can overclock it(i'll prob go around to 4.5 Ghz with a 212 evo). last time i posted here regarding the igpu,chanik( i think it was) said that the HD 4600 is enough( as you have said) but for use without madvr, so i guess the deciding factor here is, would the HD 530 be enough to use madvr to some extent(or is madvr not all that?Cause I've never got to use it on my crappy low end system)

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Madvr is definitely worth it.

I have a 4790K running @ 4.7Ghz & an AMD HD 7970 (same as the R9 280x).

The CPU is more than enough even @ 4.0Ghz to run SVP @ 60FPS... But the HD4600 is not enough for Madvr in my opinion.

I use the HD4600 for GPU Acceleration with SVP... and I use the HD7970 for my Madvr Settings.

Madvr for me is massive... It's as significant as SVP, if not more.

Both go hand in hand for me. Both are a must. If not Madvr+MPC, than MPDN (as the alternative).

I might be wrong though, you might be able to use Madvr with the HD4600 (for some basic settings), but with the settings I use, I know the HD4600 is not enough.

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Blackfyre - please tell us which settings in MadVR is most important to you?

6 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64 (edited by Nintendo Maniac 64 11-10-2015 17:59:44)

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Blackfyre wrote:

Madvr is definitely worth it.

Well that depends on your display.  If you're connecting to a TV that has a quality upscaler (which should be most TVs), then I don't see much point in doing the upscaling on your PC.

The only exception would be if you watch a lot of standard definition content, because TVs typically only accept 640x480, 720x480, and 800x600 for SD input resolutions.

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Nintendo Maniac 64 wrote:
Blackfyre wrote:

Madvr is definitely worth it.

Well that depends on your display.  If you're connecting to a TV that has a quality upscaler (which should be most TVs), then I don't see much point in doing the upscaling on your PC.

The only exception would be if you watch a lot of standard definition content, because TVs typically only accept 640x480, 720x480, and 800x600 for SD input resolutions.

So aside from upscaling(as I would mainly be watching 1080p/720p anime) I would be fine without madvr?

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MadVR is great for screen tearing reduction with it's exclusive mode as i know.

9 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64 (edited by Nintendo Maniac 64 12-10-2015 02:27:06)

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Slayer Moon wrote:

MadVR is great for screen tearing reduction with it's exclusive mode as i know.

"D3D Fullscreen" in MPC-HC can do the same thing with less CPU load and much better performance on really low-end GPUs (read: 10-year old Intel integrated).

However, if you plan on using the upscaling on your TV (such as for 720p content), you actually would still want to use MadVR since it has a built-in resolution switcher that supposedly can be configured to automatically change based on the video's resolution (I have not actually tried this however as I have no need for MadVR).  If you choose to do this, then it'd be wise this then you'd want to make sure that MadVR's actual post-processing is disabled as much as possible.

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I see,I will be using a 1080p monitor,23 inch ips,1000:1 static contrast ratio,not a tv lol but thanks alot,you confirmed my decision on getting the 4690k(and basically cleared up what the actual useful function of madvr is) so now I know I won't really be missing much for the 9 months or so without a dedicated gpu(intend to get 390)

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Blackfyre wrote:

Madvr is definitely worth it.

I have a 4790K running @ 4.7Ghz & an AMD HD 7970 (same as the R9 280x).

The CPU is more than enough even @ 4.0Ghz to run SVP @ 60FPS... But the HD4600 is not enough for Madvr in my opinion.

I use the HD4600 for GPU Acceleration with SVP... and I use the HD7970 for my Madvr Settings.

Madvr for me is massive... It's as significant as SVP, if not more.

Both go hand in hand for me. Both are a must. If not Madvr+MPC, than MPDN (as the alternative).

I might be wrong though, you might be able to use Madvr with the HD4600 (for some basic settings), but with the settings I use, I know the HD4600 is not enough.

I too am curious about the settings you use,do post them whenever you get the chance.

12 Reply by Blackfyre (edited by Blackfyre 15-10-2015 18:03:10)

Re: I5 6500 vs I5 6600 vs I5 4690k,need help deciding on cpu for build.

The Protagonist wrote:

I too am curious about the settings you use,do post them whenever you get the chance.

Slayer Moon wrote:

Blackfyre - please tell us which settings in MadVR is most important to you?

Sorry guys just saw this, was asking madshi a question over @ Doom9 and thought I'd put the settings in that post anyway for anyone interested:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p … ost1742926

PS: As noted above though if you're just watching 1080p content with a 1080p monitor (especially if it's 23" than I guess madvr wouldn't be as important to you, if at all)... You will notice a different with 720p or anything below that though when upscaling to 1080p.

13 Reply by The Protagonist (edited by The Protagonist 15-10-2015 23:17:32)

Re: I5 6500 vs I5 6600 vs I5 4690k,need help deciding on cpu for build.

I see, majority of the anime i have is in 720p(long story short,most anime aren't produced at 1080p, guess I'll just watch the ones in 1080p first,well thanks for reply,this thread more or less cleared up most(if not all) of my questions regarding madvr and the cpus(........for now......)

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@Blackfyre

Just curious did you just install intel hd graphics drivers to enable the acceleration using it for SVP? Got an i5-4690k here, tried installing intel hd graphic drivers but the intel hd graphics option just wont appear under the gpu acceleration list. Neither does the intel control panel hmm

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SatisfyingCrunch wrote:

@Blackfyre

Just curious did you just install intel hd graphics drivers to enable the acceleration using it for SVP? Got an i5-4690k here, tried installing intel hd graphic drivers but the intel hd graphics option just wont appear under the gpu acceleration list. Neither does the intel control panel hmm

I believe Intel control panel doesn't work when you have a dedicated GPU, but you can still use the iGPU (HD4600) if you install the correct drivers.

I've been using it this way for a while now, HD4600 is more than enough (video acceleration wise) for SVP @ 60FPS. It used it between 15% to 25% while watching videos. Which gives me more freedom (space) to do my settings for Madvr.

I'm not on the computer right now, I'm in bed. I'll help you out tomorrow, let me know what operating system you're running.

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I'm going to guess that you have to physically remove the discrete GPU in order to install the Intel drivers, but once they're installed you can plug the discrete GPU back in.

DISCLAIMER: I have not tried this myself.

Re: I5 6500 vs I5 6600 vs I5 4690k,need help deciding on cpu for build.

Running windows 10 x64. cheers!

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Nintendo Maniac 64 wrote:

I'm going to guess that you have to physically remove the discrete GPU in order to install the Intel drivers, but once they're installed you can plug the discrete GPU back in.

No, I've personally never needed to do that... Just a matter of installing the right drivers.

SatisfyingCrunch wrote:

Running windows 10 x64. cheers!

So just to show the performance difference; here is a graph depicting how my GPU and iGPU are being used depending on the resolution of the video I am watching (each video was viewed for approximately two minutes)...

http://i.imgur.com/PQWlWe3.png

Notice how the iGPU usage increases as the quality of the video becomes better (positive correlation). It increases to around 40% when watching 1080p content... This allows me to use Madvr settings that otherwise would not be possible, without dropped/delayed frames, had I been using the GPU alone (especially when up-scaling 720p content to 1080p).

Anyway; the latest driver from Intel for the HD4600 is below...

Download the .exe, install it, restart the computer as prompted after it finishes, then run SVP 4.0 Free Edition, Right-Click, Application Settings, GPU Acceleration, and select HD 4600...

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/downlo … s-10-64bit

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Cheers boss, is working now!

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SatisfyingCrunch wrote:

Cheers boss, is working now!

Always here to help. Glad it worked.

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@blackfyre

Have you encountered any 1080p files (Im using 1080p monitor) that your iGPU couldn't handle? Pretty much all 1080p files my iGPU is just sufficient, and getting 1.0 SVP. But for one particular movie, SVP index drops to about 0.8-0.9 and is fixed when i change my gpu acceleration back to me 660ti.

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SatisfyingCrunch wrote:

@blackfyre

Have you encountered any 1080p files (Im using 1080p monitor) that your iGPU couldn't handle? Pretty much all 1080p files my iGPU is just sufficient, and getting 1.0 SVP. But for one particular movie, SVP index drops to about 0.8-0.9 and is fixed when i change my gpu acceleration back to me 660ti.

No, I haven't encountered that issue yet. What movie is it?

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https://coalgirls.wakku.to/8464/kotonoha-no-niwa      (1080p)

CPU usage is pretty much from 85%-100% constant with this movie.

24 Reply by Nintendo Maniac 64 (edited by Nintendo Maniac 64 20-10-2015 23:59:07)

Re: I5 6500 vs I5 6600 vs I5 4690k,need help deciding on cpu for build.

Isn't that 10bit AVC?  No current GPU is able to decode 10bit AVC in hardware (they max out at 8bit for AVC decoding).

That means it'll use software decoding which is going to use more CPU and therefore leave you less headroom for SVP.

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I don't think so, pressing ctrl+J, i still see nv12, 8bit, 4:2:0.