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Topic: SVP and Stereoscopic Player help please!

Hi, I've been trying to get SVP to work with Stereoscopic Player and have even reached out to the SVP team for help (and they immediately responded) unfortunately I've gotten nowhere with this. I've followed the instructions provided by SVP but I'm wondering if the issue is because the media in question are .ssif files. I converted the .ssif files to SBS (.264 format) via BD3D2MK3D this format will activate the LAV filter which SVP needs to work but then for whatever reason, the framerate is halved (12 FPS).

So I then tried MPC-HC in conjunction with MadVR and that resulted in smooth 60 FPS playback when the player was minimized in 2D, but when I would make the player go fullscreen it resulted in flickering and a big red "Out of Range" message in the middle of the screen. Using MadVR in conjunction with LAV and MPC-HC were instructions I found that I believe pertained to 3D playback with VR gear, but I'm not sure.

Either way, I initially followed the instructions SVP provided as to how to get 3D to work with Stereoscopic Player exactly, going back and triple and quadruple checking the instructions and I'm not getting anywhere with that.

https://www.svp-team.com/wiki/SVP:Stereoscopic_Player

What formats exactly will work with SVP and Stereoscopic Player?

I understand that .mkv and .ssif formats aren't supported by the LAV filter and that's why SVP isn't activating but why is a supported format, H.264, causing the player to render the file at 12 FPS? The LAV filter is active with this format, but SVP is indicating "no active playback".

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance for any help.

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Re: SVP and Stereoscopic Player help please!

I hear first time about 12 fps. Can you give a sample?

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A sample? It's 12 FPS according to OSD (MSI Afterburner - RTSS) and it feels like 12 FPS.

Re: SVP and Stereoscopic Player help please!

What you need is a reference file - i.e. an over-under stereo pair made by "professional ripper".

5 Reply by vulcan78 (edited by vulcan78 25-08-2017 20:20:20)

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Chainik wrote:

What you need is a reference file - i.e. an over-under stereo pair made by "professional ripper".

Please elaborate!

What software do I need to use?

How do I do it?

Re: SVP and Stereoscopic Player help please!

A torrent files downloader?


Personally I'm good with a usual MPC-HC playing any kind/format of stereo pair and watching it on LG's 4K TV.

7 Reply by vulcan78 (edited by vulcan78 25-08-2017 22:01:21)

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Chainik wrote:

A torrent files downloader?


Personally I'm good with a usual MPC-HC playing any kind/format of stereo pair and watching it on LG's 4K TV.

The media in question was torrented via qbitorrent, I have the option of either unpacking the disc image file and I'm left with .ssif files that don't activate the LAV filter, or I can try to mount the disc image first, which doesn't make a difference.

I've tried to convert the .ssif files into a format that activates the LAV filter, such as H.264, but the resultant format / file plays at 12 FPS.

I heard a rumor somewhere that actual 3D Blu-Ray content is required, and that torrented files don't work correctly, but I haven't been able to corroborate the assertion.

If anyone reading this has managed to use SVP with Stereoscopic Player and is using torrented source media, please share what youre doing.

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Have you another not hand maded SBS-file?
Does it plays with 12 fps to you too?
I'm trying to realise what is wrong with your Stereoscopic player configuration or with the SBS-file.

Re: SVP and Stereoscopic Player help please!

I've tried to convert the .ssif files into a format that activates the LAV filter, such as H.264, but the resultant format / file plays at 12 FPS.

MVC video (i.e. ".ssif") converted to a H.264 stereo-pair is just a usual 2D video.
I have no idea how you managed to play usual 2D videos at 12 fps hmm Probably it's somehow connected to the 3D viewing mode you're using in Stereoscopic Player - which is still unknown.

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Shameless bump.

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Chainik wrote:

I've tried to convert the .ssif files into a format that activates the LAV filter, such as H.264, but the resultant format / file plays at 12 FPS.

MVC video (i.e. ".ssif") converted to a H.264 stereo-pair is just a usual 2D video.
I have no idea how you managed to play usual 2D videos at 12 fps hmm Probably it's somehow connected to the 3D viewing mode you're using in Stereoscopic Player - which is still unknown.

The .ssif files play at their normal framerate, 24 FPS. It's when I attempt to convert the .ssif files to H.264 (to activate the LAV filter, which SVP requires to function) that the FPS is mysteriously halved.

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Chainik wrote:

I've tried to convert the .ssif files into a format that activates the LAV filter, such as H.264, but the resultant format / file plays at 12 FPS.

MVC video (i.e. ".ssif") converted to a H.264 stereo-pair is just a usual 2D video.
I have no idea how you managed to play usual 2D videos at 12 fps hmm Probably it's somehow connected to the 3D viewing mode you're using in Stereoscopic Player - which is still unknown.

I'm using 3D Vision, relevant specs below:

Windows 7 64 bit.
GTX 1080 Ti
Asus ROG Swift PG278Q G-Sync and 3D Vision capable display

SVP works great with 2D content, I really wish I could get it going with 3D as I'm accumulating quite the library (Star Wars: Rogue One, Doctor Strange, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 and X-Men: Apocalypse all waiting to be viewed).

After seeing how amazing SVP is with 2D I can't possibly stand to look at 24 FPS anymore.

Re: SVP and Stereoscopic Player help please!

At least post here Mediainfo of the converted file

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Chainik wrote:

At least post here Mediainfo of the converted file

Ok so I deleted my last mounted .iso and this morning I'm making another one and I have BD3D2MK3D open and under 5: Options and Go I have the option of "Stereoscopy > Side by Side, top and bottom or frame sequential and there's also a checkbox "half". I noticed that the SVP support team told me I needed an "over and under pair" so I'm thinking now that maybe the issue was that I had previously selected something other than "top and bottom" such as side by side or possibly frame sequential. I'm thinking I need to try Top and Bottom as this is an "over and under pair"?

Not sure about the "half" option.

I have to do this as the torrented media format in question is .ssif, which is somewhat problematic as the majority of my movies are unpacked .iso's, but I believe I can use Winrar to repack them as .iso's, then mount them if I am successful with BD3D2MK3D.

I just rechecked the Stereoscopic Player options and they conform to the settings recommended by SVP.

This may take a while, I will post back when I have my "over and under pair".

I just found this by way of google, looks like what I'm experiencing isn't a new problem, this thread dates back to 2012:

http://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=587

15 Reply by vulcan78 (edited by vulcan78 27-08-2017 20:20:40)

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Update:

Well in the process of using BD3D2MK3D and having to make space for the encoded media I found a copy of Avatar that is in .mkv format, which doesn't seem to get the LAV filters to work (it needs to be H.264 correct?) and this has put the entire project on hold as I'm using BD3D2MK3D to convert the mounted .iso to .mkv?

I also learned what the "half" setting is in this software, and I think I can run "Full" with my hardware but am not messing with that yet as I'm still trying to get SVP to work with Stereoscopic Player.

I can't remember how I ended up with an H.264 file the last time.....


Edit:

I remember now, I used Handbrake, but now that I have that open I'm looking at converting .x264.mkv to "H.264 MKV", isn't this the same format?

Re: SVP and Stereoscopic Player help please!

this is a half side-by-side stereo pair in 24 fps

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Chainik wrote:

this is a half side-by-side stereo pair in 24 fps


Will .mp4 activate the LAV filter SVP needs to work or do I need MVC to play this now?

I updated my previous post:

...I remember now, I used Handbrake, but now that I have that open I'm looking at converting .x264.mkv to "H.264 MKV", isn't this the same format?

Re: SVP and Stereoscopic Player help please!

Just play it at last big_smile

- SVP doesn't need "LAV filter", it needs "ffdshow raw filter"
- "MVC" is a "Multi-View Coding" and it's usually encoded with H.264 codec into any container - MKV, MP4, SSIF, etc.  SVP doesn't work with MVC.
- ... instead, SVP works with non-MVC stereo, witch is a stereo-pair i.e. a plain 2D video where every frame contains both images.

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Update:

Well I have everything set correctly and SVP is refusing to activate with H.264 MKV files.

20 Reply by vulcan78 (edited by vulcan78 28-08-2017 04:41:06)

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Chainik wrote:

Just play it at last big_smile

- SVP doesn't need "LAV filter", it needs "ffdshow raw filter"
- "MVC" is a "Multi-View Coding" and it's usually encoded with H.264 codec into any container - MKV, MP4, SSIF, etc.  SVP doesn't work with MVC.
- ... instead, SVP works with non-MVC stereo, witch is a stereo-pair i.e. a plain 2D video where every frame contains both images.

Ok I have Stereoscopic Player set up exactly as per the instructions with FFDShow Raw Filter Set as the Video Processor and LAV set as the Video decoder and I've double checked this hitting Ctrl+V and going to filters while the file is playing in the player.

I don't know what the issue is.

Is it because I am using 3D Vision?

I also have DXVA2 (copy-back) set as the Hardware Decoder with my Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti set as the Hardware Accelerator in LAV Video Decoder Properties.

Is this the problem?

Also I am using an On Screen Display utility, MSI Afterburner, is this a problem?

I'm really at wits end here, I've been messing with this for probably 12 hours in total now (second time trying to get this to work) and going by the thread from 2012 I posted above, I'm not sure I'm alone with this problem and if this problem has been addressed.

A few SVP staff mentioned support for .ssif files was on their "to do list", well that was 5 years ago and this is apparently still a problem.

http://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=587

Dude I will buy SVP Pro if you can add support for .ssif files. This is ridiculous.

Edit:

Looking at the thread above, I found these two posts, where someone is asking about support for 3D Vision, and a reply that only SBS is supported in Stereoscopic Player:

"Hi,
It would be great if you could make svp work with stereoscopic player, i use a 120hz 3dvision pj so it would be awsome"


"mocca
It works right now but only with SBS and over-under stereo pairs.

Also Stereoscopic Player can't handle frame size changing in runtime so some SVP's features like black borders lighting and cropping won't work as expected."

In Layout, Sensio Hi-Fi 3D is selected, I've experimented with SBS left frame and right frame first and it simply changes the aspect ratio to like 4:3 but the FPS is still at 24.

Is this the problem?


Update:

Now BD3D2KMV is giving me some mysterious error at the end of the taking the mounted .iso and encoding it to a side by side .264 file, it encodes it then this prompt:

"Successfully done.

Launch "__ENCODE_3D_LAUNCHER.cmd" to encode the 3D video (and optionally mux to MKV)."

So I try that and that results in an error:

"The type of file '00800_3D.264' could not be recognized."

Additionally, it plays at 12 FPS with a correct picture (I remember now, I had the same error and this is the same file that resulted in playback of 12 FPS the last time), playing said file as is without getting muxed to MKV results in it indicating that it's "Sequential, left frame first" in "Layout", and trying to switch this to "Side by Side" both left and / or right frame first results in an incorrect picture, but a picture that plays at 30 FPS?.

I've gone back to check and "Side by Side" is selected in BD3DMK3D, maybe because it hasn't been muxed? I don't know, but I've tried this numerous times and it always results in this error. 

Any help greatly appreciated!!!

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Re: SVP and Stereoscopic Player help please!

Bump.

Also reading this thread, is converting "full, packed 3D" to SBS the only way to get SVP working?

http://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewtopic … 87&p=3

Re: SVP and Stereoscopic Player help please!

did you tried the mp4 file I linked above?
can you play it in 3D mode w/o SVP?
how many fps do you see? 24, 12, 30, 15, some other value?
does ffdshow raw filter activates?

and then turn SVP on...

23 Reply by vulcan78 (edited by vulcan78 28-08-2017 22:59:34)

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Chainik wrote:

did you tried the mp4 file I linked above?
can you play it in 3D mode w/o SVP?
how many fps do you see? 24, 12, 30, 15, some other value?
does ffdshow raw filter activates?

and then turn SVP on...

Ok so I disabled SVP and opened up the file with Stereoscopic Player and the default "Layout" was Sequential, Left Frame First, so I changed this to SBS, Left Frame First, and the indicated FPS initially goes from like 29, 43, 50 even 60 then comes back down in a step wise manner to 24 within a few seconds, and then randomly it makes these same increases again throughout the media playback. Although it is indicating that the FPS is increasing and decreasing, there is no corresponding change to the smoothness. It does this with and without SVP "on". Turning SVP on does nothing, it says "no active playback" and I sat there and tried nearly every "Layout" in a vain attempt to get SVP to activate.

I then double checked the filter secion(Ctl+V on the player) and LAV is the encoder that is then outputting to FFDShow Raw, exactly as I am supposed to have set up as.

I don't know what the issue is but after reading that SVP can't actually do full, packed 3D (it needs to be converted to SBS which is interlaced?) I am somewhat less that interested in getting this to work, and this truly has been a ridiculous amount of time and energy committed to this fruitless endeavor.

Thanks for any help, if anyone else has the same problem and figured something out let me know.